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Pancaking

Posted by dogmum, on Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:27 pm

i am constantly panicking. No matter what product I am using. 

Reply by warrior, on Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:14 pm

can you elaborate more? The appliance you are using is? Do you have  ilio or colo bag? Your output must be very solid for this to happen...are you wearing the bag vertical or horizontal? And to be clear pancaking, right? Not panicking? 😊

Reply by Mark1070, on Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:25 pm

Hi dogmum. I see from your profile you have a colostomy. I'm ileo so i cant claim to have the same output but i did have problems with pancaking early on, especially when dehydrated which thickens output. So, I've had success using a support belt and even taping edges of the wafer.  I also use a supplemental latex adhesive called Torbot Bonding Cement. I haven't had pancaking since.  I'd discuss the issue with your WOCN but ask about these techniques unless the WOCN has other ideas. Hope this helps. 

Reply by Bill, on Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:52 am

Hello dogmum. 

Thank you for sharing your problem and I hope you get plenty of replies in regard to pancaking and panicking.

Mark has picked up the useful fact that you have a colostomy, so my first response would be to encourage you to try irrigation. This will almost certainly resolve the problem of pancaking as you will not have output during the day and you may be able to give up using bags altogether, in favour of plugs or something similar. 

Best wishes

Bill   

Reply by looking forward, on Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:34 am

easy fix  put an eye dropper of oil into your bag when you change it  i do and it works good luck

Reply by Mark1070, on Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:08 pm
looking forward wrote:

easy fix  put an eye dropper of oil into your bag when you change it  i do and it works good luck


Good point. Like Hollisters Adapt lubricant: https://www.hollister.com/en/products/Ostomy-Care-Products/Ostomy-Accessories/Lubricating-Deodorant?s=Relevance&pg=1

With an ileosttomy, I don't use pouch lubricant and had forgotten they make it.  

 

Reply by Penguins7, on Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:49 am

Hi Dogmum,  I highly recommend coating the top of bag with baby oil as it has really helped me with pancaking.  Use a Qtip to aspply before putting pouch on.  The foods that can contribute to pancaking are peanut butter, bananas and starches.  When you do eat them drink more water. Also you need a small amount of air in the bag to eliminate the vacuum effect too which will help with pancaking.

A stoma guard can help with flow into the pouch also.  I have designed one and use it everyday.

Good luck and staty well!  Penguins7

Reply by dogmum, on Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:40 pm

What do  you irrigation.   More water. 

Bill wrote:

Hello dogmum. 

Thank you for sharing your problem and I hope you get plenty of replies in regard to pancaking and panicking.

Mark has picked up the useful fact that you have a colostomy, so my first response would be to encourage you to try irrigation. This will almost certainly resolve the problem of pancaking as you will not have output during the day and you may be able to give up using bags altogether, in favour of plugs or something similarities between 

Best wishes

Bill   



Reply by Bill, on Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:17 pm

Hello dogmum.

If you want to know more about irrigation there is plenty of stuff online- including informative videos. I have just entered 'stoma irrigation' on Google and come up with loads of stuff. Below is an extract from one of the UK sites.
"Irrigation transforms lives! However, it must first be discussed and taught by a stoma care nurse, as irrigation is not suitable for all. Between irrigating, there is usually no need for a colostomy bag to be worn. Instead the stoma can be covered by a cap. For greater piece of mind, some irrigators wear a small bag. Irrigation is now a well established method of bowel management.
What is irrigation?
For those of you who are unfamiliar, irrigation is a method of colostomy management which involves using specialist equipment to introduce warm water into the bowel via the stoma. The water causes muscular contractions (peristalsis) in the bowel, which in turn causes it to expel its contents. Many colostomates prefer this method of colostomy management as it gives them a sense of control."

I hope this is helpful and if you want to know more Iam sure there are lots of ostomates who will chip in on this subject. 

Also you can go into 'COLLECTIONS' -- premium content--- colostomy where there a lots of previous posts on this subject.

Best wishes

Bill

Reply by lovely, on Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:15 pm
Mark1070 wrote:

Hi dogmum. I see from your profile you have a colostomy. I'm ileo so i cant claim to have the same output but i did have problems with pancaking early on, especially when dehydrated which thickens output. So, I've had success using a support belt and even taping edges of the wafer.  I also use a supplemental latex adhesive called Torbot Bonding Cement. I haven't had pancaking since.  I'd discuss the issue with your WOCN but ask about these techniques unless the WOCN has other ideas. Hope this helps. 

What is pancaking? 

Reply by lovely, on Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:31 pm
Bill wrote:

Hello dogmum. 

Thank you for sharing your problem and I hope you get plenty of replies in regard to pancaking and panicking.

Mark has picked up the useful fact that you have a colostomy, so my first response would be to encourage you to try irrigation. This will almost certainly resolve the problem of pancaking as you will not have output during the day and you may be able to give up using bags altogether, in favour of plugs or something similar. 

Best wishes

Bill   

I have had a colostomy since 2014. I was never given any help or advice so I have been on my own. I was so glad when I found this site, I have learned from it. I had never heard about irrigation. Is it nesessary and what purpose does it serve. I could never go without a bag as all during the day my output is a little bit at the time. And the output sticks to the bag. Then about ever two days or so I have a big movement.

 

Reply by Bill, on Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:53 am

Hello lovely. 

Basically, irrigation is where we flush out the colon with water. It usuALLY GETS RID OF ALL THE FEACES IN THE COLON AND THEREFORE THERE IS NO OUTPUT UNTIL THE FEACES BUILDS UP AGAIN.  I can go a day and a half without any output at all but others have reported that they can go for 2 days or more without output.  What this means is that we can do away with bags altogether, No pancaking, no leaks, no having to find toilets and no worries. Our lives have become much more manageable and all the hassle is condensed into the period it takes to irrigate. 

The general consensus amongst irrigators is that the  process and results are very effective and well worthwhile.

I do hope you give it a try and feel the benefits.

Best wishes

Bill 

Reply by dogmum, on Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:40 am

Thank you so much. I will definitely look into this. 

Bill wrote:

Hello dogmum.

If you want to know more about irrigation there is plenty of stuff online- including informative videos. I have just entered 'stoma irrigation' on Google and come up with loads of stuff. Below is an extract from one of the UK sites.
"Irrigation transforms lives! However, it must first be discussed and taught by a stoma care nurse, as irrigation is not suitable for all. Between irrigating, there is usually no need for a colostomy bag to be worn. Instead the stoma can be covered by a cap. For greater piece of mind, some irrigators wear a small bag. Irrigation is now a well established method of bowel management.
What is irrigation?
For those of you who are unfamiliar, irrigation is a method of colostomy management which involves using specialist equipment to introduce warm water into the bowel via the stoma. The water causes muscular contractions (peristalsis) in the bowel, which in turn causes it to expel its contents. Many colostomates prefer this method of colostomy management as it gives them a sense of control."

I hope this is helpful and if you want to know more Iam sure there are lots of ostomates who will chip in on this subject. 

Also you can go into 'COLLECTIONS' -- premium content--- colostomy where there a lots of previous posts on this subject.

Best wishes

Bill



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