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Just Another Waste.

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:05 am
                                 
christiesdad wrote:
Another thought,

Perhaps a law allowing only non-lethal ammo to be sold to citizens of any country?

Like the rubber bullets and tazers for hand guns, allowing lethal ammo for long guns?




the key word in this statement is LAW.....too bad criminals dont obey the LAWS already in place preventing violence. do you think the criminals would turn in all their lethal ammo??
non-lethal ammo doesnt always work....will you bet YOUR life and the LIVES OF YOUR LOVED ONES on something that may not work on a deranged or drug  crazed criminal???

check out the video of this guy shot in the balls by a shotgun loaded with "bean bag" ammo.
the impact would be simular to being punched by a professional boxer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5g1XtuO-t0&feature=related
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:22 am
http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/


read the last paragraph carefully. now why would armed robberies increase by 45 percent since the implementation of very strict gun control measures??  anybody??? could it possibly be because there is little fear of an armed victim??
criminals dont really fear the police, there are many laws that PROTECT them.
criminals dont really fear prision....most have already been there. would you fear going to a high school reunion
criminals DO fear an armed victim.... that is why they dont have mass shootings, robberies, assualts,ect. at gun ranges or police stations
how smart do you have to be to comprehend such a simple fact.......
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:48 am
This is great. I don't need to reinforce my ideas. You do it for me MMSH. Thank you mate.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:05 pm
It's not so much that i am afraid to go to my high school reunion, it's that i don't want to experience how i felt at the time all over again.

whatever shooting that was referenced initially (i am not great with current events), was the firearm acquired legally or otherwise?

The use of a firearm in hunting is partly efficiency and prob'ly economy. The role of hunting when performed with permit and all safety measures in place is to replace the predator of the hunted to keep said hunted population in a healthier position to proliferate come next season.

There should be heavier penalties for the use of a firearm when committing a crime.

I should not be penalized if i want to purchase a firearm so i shoot at paper or clay targets.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:40 pm
                                 
Sinfulsot wrote:
It's not so much that i am afraid to go to my high school reunion, it's that i don't want to experience how i felt at the time all over again.

whatever shooting that was referenced initially (i am not great with current events), was the firearm acquired legally or otherwise?

The use of a firearm in hunting is partly efficiency and prob'ly economy. The role of hunting when performed with permit and all safety measures in place is to replace the predator of the hunted to keep said hunted population in a healthier position to proliferate come next season.

There should be heavier penalties for the use of a firearm when committing a crime.

I should not be penalized if i want to purchase a firearm so i shoot at paper or clay targets.



ss, i belive the original shooting that produced this rant took place in california. for the benifit of those not too familar with firearms laws in the usa, it is one of the MOST RESTRICTIVE states for personal firearms ownership. following that thought and reafirming my point, gun control has absolutly NO POSITIVE EFFECT on crime.

you bring up an important question, was the gun used legally aquired? i do not know, but i am familar with crime stastics. MOST guns used in a crime are stolen guns sold on "the street".
buying a gun anywhere in the usa from a gun or pawn shop requires the buyer fill out a form, retained "on file" by the point of sale AND an "instant check" which involves a phone call to the ncis, the buyers name and drivers lic or social are run thru the ncis system and if there are any problems the sale is "declined".
as you can guess, most criminals would be a little hesitant to stand in line waiting on the "ok" from the ncis guy on the phone.
i thought your post well thought out and very rational, well done.
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:22 pm
I would like to re-phrase my comments of earlier,  well not rephrase, but comment on them.

MMSH  Hey fella,
I agree with you, being an old southern boy myself.  No, I don't think that my thought has a snowballs chance in hell.  As I said, it was just a thought.  This is America and there are "certain inalienable rights" here.  
     But it's like pornography..........not against the law to sell it,  just against the law to possess it,  no matter how one gets hold of it,  silly,  don't you think.  Especially with the things you see on t.v. now a days.
     Nah, I'm gonna keep my gun,  you betcha!
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:02 pm
                                 
christiesdad wrote:
I would like to re-phrase my comments of earlier,  well not rephrase, but comment on them.

MMSH  Hey fella,
I agree with you, being an old southern boy myself.  No, I don't think that my thought has a snowballs chance in hell.  As I said, it was just a thought.  This is America and there are "certain inalienable rights" here.  
     But it's like pornography..........not against the law to sell it,  just against the law to possess it,  no matter how one gets hold of it,  silly,  don't you think.  Especially with the things you see on t.v. now a days.
     Nah, I'm gonna keep my gun,  you betcha!


hey cd, yes i understand you were just "thinking out loud" about the non-lethal thing and i didnt mean to "attack" your thoughts....just saying when my life or my loved ones lives are "on the line" i want something that "stops the fight".
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:50 pm
I have just gone back and re-read all the posts on this post.It seems that there is a recurring theme from the author concerning "mass" shootings and the like, in that there have been several postings about  mass shootings as well as demonstrations. it seems, at least to me that there is a definate leaning towards demeaning anyone who is in dis-agreement even to the point of deliberately posting an observation in such a way as to provoke an adversial comment.  Then the retort is always anti liberal, anti right, anti left or anti any thing that pops up.  Every one detest these hideous events,  no one condones them.  Yet the author seems anxious to invoke annomosity in that he is the only one that finds the acts heineous, (spelling is wrong, I know) and any comment offered is attacked as  in self defence.  All people in this forum command, as I have found, quite a high level of intelligence and their opinion should be respected, not attacked  just because it is different.  Each time I have offered an opinion I have received feedback that sometimes made me take stock of what I said and reconsider that maybe I erred in my judgement originally,  I have stood corrected.
     And that's about enough said....................
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:25 am
Where are you Lobster?
I can't believe that you have not waded in on this.
Would love to hear your desertation on this subject...............
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:35 am
He won't CD.

And by the way I did not post these comments for any other reason than to propose my utter dislike for guns. I don't care to discuss yours or others issues with owning guns. If you choose to then so be it. It is your decision. But what for?

But to accuse me of deliberately attacking others by my comments is juvenile in the most complete way. I was just commenting on the fact that many had died again and laws should be invoked to allow for more stringent gun controls to be implemented.

If you want to say I did it to invoke others talk then to the relatives of the guy that carried out this attack CD and next time think before you say something like this.

ps. Sorry for being a Liberal and caring about innocent people dying without need.
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:24 am
Kenny.....................
as far as you "attacking " others,  go back and read your reply to Sinful-4/3/5:19AM...........
I recall the word Stupid being used toward his comment.

RE;  Your provoking adversarial responses?  Go back and re-read your first two post
"the old chestnuts", "the sledge" "the usual suspects".sounds like a provocation to me.
If not, why use those phrases?

As far as being a libreal or conservative, left or right or up the middle,  I believe that all of us are concerned about the loss of innocent life over these sordid events that occur, all too often.

It is just the remedy you propose that I will not agree to.  You are, of course, within your rights to express your thoughts.  But to attack any and every one that disagrees with you makes you out to be exactly what you are accusing others of being.

Even if you don't use somoe derogatory words, there is a disingenuinous attidute detected in your remarks.

Mine too, I will admit.  I am going to try to watch mine in the future.
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:53 pm
                                 
KennyT wrote:
He won't CD.

I did not post these comments for any other reason than to propose my utter dislike for guns.  





and here is the problem with ALL liberals{not just you kt}...facts and logic have no meaning to you. it is simply how you FEEL about the issue that forms your solution.
you cannot reason with a liberal, they cannot grasp the basic concept.
nothing personal.
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:08 pm
I am a Liberal and proud to be so.

Facts are that thousands upon thousands of people die each year at the end of some bullet fired upon them. Logically that points to a very strong reason for gun control. As opposed to you MMSH who cannot see outside your right wing, ban the people who believe in peace and blame the Liberals. I did not mention your political beliefs when I posted this but only after you decided to drag the entire issue into that political argument.

Oh and by the way liberals DO have the ability to think and feel and sense. Unlike others.So what is the basic concept MMSH? You on that side seem to have all the ideas.

I am out of this as being a Liberal prevents me from lowering myself into the quagmire because I FEEL about the issue and cannot think rationally apparently.
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:35 pm
APPARENTLY!
Ah well, enough of this nonsense.  Let's go back and do some more trivia stuff.

See ya in "just for laughs"
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:30 pm
we can have a healthy discussion as long as ppl are clear and concise.

but you have danced this dance before, yes?
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