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Posted by itchy22, on Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:35 am
Here in Canada most of our medical expenses are covered,but in the US you have to pay most or all of the bill. Some lucky ones have coverage from employment but I still dont understand why your government finds it so hard to help the less fortunate citizens out. Any thoughts?
Reply by Juuust_Jim, on Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:48 am
itchy22 wrote:
I still dont understand why your government finds it so hard to help the less fortunate citizens out. Any thoughts?

Thats simple to answer, our Country is controlled by two Political Parties whos #1 objective is to gain majority control of the Government -so Bottom line despite what they say in their Campaign speeches -they only care about themselves. If they Did care one iota about the poor and Homeless -they would be taking pay cuts from their 6-figure salaries, and doing away with their Chauffeur driving Limos, and Million Dollar Mansions, but instead its the american people that take the pay cuts, and worse lose their jobs, while they're all living high on the hog
Reply by Primeboy, on Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:42 am
itchy22 wrote:
but I still dont understand why your government finds it so hard to help the less fortunate citizens out. Any thoughts?

Our current government is making every effort to increase "dependency" wherever possible. Ever since the War on Poverty began under President Johnson, the number of people on one form of government assistance or another has increased, often dramatically. There are built-in disincentives keeping people out of meaningful employment. On top of all this, Obamacare will add 30 million new people to government-supported health care.

Who's going to pay for all this in the coming years? I am sure it's not all the college grads who now live with mom and dad because they cannot find decent employment while straddled with incredible college debt. I am also sure it's not the 10,000 baby-boomers who retire everyday and expect to receive full social security and Medicare benefits. And I know it's not going to be the thousands of businesses that reduce their workers to part-time to avoid paying benefits.

Many promises of government largesse amount to intergenerational theft perpetrated by the worst generation on its young. Margaret Thatcher nailed it when she said that socialism works as long as other people's money holds out. Well, what are we going to do when the well runs dry? I know: quantitative easing, maybe one more time. But, as they say in Jersey, "Fuggetaboutit!"

There are many positive steps that can be taken to ensure that all truly needy people get appropriate governmental assistance in coping with health and living expenses without creating new and indefinite taxpayer-subsidized lifestyles.  It all goes back to re-establishing a culture of shared values, including good work ethics, individual responsibility, brotherly love and shared sacrifice. Great civilizations have come and gone because they failed to act in their own best interest, even though they knew better. Ask any Trojan!


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Reply by Past Member, on Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:40 am
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" ~ Winston Churchill
Reply by eddie, on Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:12 am
I am a nurse and have been one for over 40 years, I feel somewhat qualified to answer your question.
The homeless in our country are homeless because they chose to be, I could go into a long explanation about that but won't.
Anyone who needs health care can recieve it, You can go to any ER in USA and be treated.  An there are free to income based clinics everywhere, any hospitall that accept Medicare or Medicaid must admit and treat a patient as needed.
The hospital that I am employeed at gives thousands dollars worth of free care and this is a standard every where in this country.
If you qualify for Medicaid which millions and millions do, ALL of your health care is free, you scripts are never more than $1.00.  You are provided with a debit card for food , you utilities are payed for if you want to work part time you recieve free child car and a car, you get a free cell phone monthly with minutes added each month need new furniture or carpet see you case worked and get it.  Also often in the ER you will a patient for a minor could or some resp. problem and for example a vaporizor , they will ask arent you going to give us one we don't have any money, Sounds sincere, but you had to go outside to find these individuals because they were out smoking!  Last I  heard smoking was expensive.
I could go on and on with examples!
PB I agree totally!
Reply by itchy22, on Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:54 pm
Thanks for the great answer. I do disagree with the homeless comment , though. I was homeless once and NOT because I wanted to. As for smokers,well, unfortunately we baby boomers grew up in a cloud of ignorance about the dangers of smoking and by the time most of us realized, it was too late.Addicted to a substance far more powerful than even heroin
Reply by hockey, on Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:07 pm
I hope that you are not implying that ---(MEDICARE IS FREE) You pay for it before you get and you still pay for it while you are recieving
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Reply by Past Member, on Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:05 pm
I feel we'll qualified to answer this question as I lived in the USA for 21 years and Canada for a total of 32.
The reason many Americans are afraid of a single person medical system is propaganda. They are inundated by false information by the entities who stand to lose the most, insurance companies. They spend millions a year convincing people they are going to lose medical care altogether if they give everyone a real health system. That nurse who posted that everyone has health care is wrong. Health care is not ER. ER does not have the ability and it's not prepared to do any preventative care. It's horrendously expensive and the staff is not capable or has the tools to do anything but emergency care. It's like taking your car to a bmw mechanic to change the oil on an old Buick. They aren't interested.  
Some of the other posts are just repeating what the right wing pundits repeat over and over. They haven't done any research for themselves they choose to believe unqualified talk show hosts because its easy and fulfills their need to blame others for the condition of their healthcare system.
It's based in profit, not care or preventative medicine. Doctors run as many people through the door as possible to maximize profit. A system based in profit will not look after those less fortunate. Nor do they treat poor people with respect and dignity. They treat them with revulsion and as beggars.
I prefer a system where health care is a right.
Reply by toria, on Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:07 am
I dont know where you lived in the USA , i lived in CA . WA. KS and OK and paid my taxes for 34 yrs. cost me 80dollars cash just to see a specialist, apparently i had to be 65 yrs old before i could claim medicare, i was only 63, with no insurance. i knew there was something really wrong with me as i was urinating blood. My job paid minimum wage. i came back to England and as i was born here was entitled to the National Health Service . I was diagnosed quickly, bladder cancer, operated on, and then had a stroke i survived and was given the all clear. That was 5 yrs ago. I had to leave my family over there, kids grandkids and now great grandkids ,that i have never seen, Here i pay nothing for my ostomy supplies or medication, I could never afford to live in the USA again, maybe a vacation one day. Your Medicare is not free. Thank goodness for socialized medicine. I do not like living here but I am very very grateful and so glad i did not become an American citizen. You have a beautiful country but you do not care for your old and sick.
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Reply by Past Member, on Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:03 am
I lived in wa fl oh. I had medical but the costs of my surgeries for crohns took me to bankruptcy. I discovered the medical care I received in a midsize American town substandard. So many medical mishaps and mistakes. I was happy to move back to Canada. The type of care I receive here is much different. There are flaws in all medical systems. I prefer the Canadian one.
Reply by DBJ, on Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:01 pm
I have been a nurse for 33 years here in the US.  I have been VERY BLESSED with having great insurance from my job and my husbands.  I am one of the lucky ones because I could be in bankruptcy as well due to 7 failed surgeries, for a bladder that would never work due to a hysterectomy for cervical cancer.
I feel our health care system is made of nothing but greed and we have lost our caring side.
I have a bad feeling about Obama care because we are not getting any straight answers as to what we are getting  nothing but confusion. Something our government loves to keep us in.
Great confusion and FEAR-----

In this country there has always been the rich and poor. Along with the middle class that is dissolving more, and more into the poor class. We have lost thousands of good paying jobs along with health care.  

Seems like everyone is unhappy about our health care problem but--no one seems to know how or WHAT to do to fix it

I am sure Canada is a better system--
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Reply by Past Member, on Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:37 pm
The Canadian system has many faults but in addition to having medical care people don't have to sell everything they own when they go to a elderly care facility its part of the medical system. People do manage to leave legacies for the children here.
From what I saw the Obama system that is a major problem is leaving it in the hands of insurance companies. If nothing else Obamacare is a start. All medical systems are constantly changing, hopefully there will be some positive changes soon.
I believe the Canadian system makes a huge mistake by not sending an informative billing statement to people going to the hospital or to see a doctor. People might be a little more aware and not overuse it.
Reply by eddie, on Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:23 am
Reply by eddie, on Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:26 am
If you come to our small rural hospital's ED complaining of abd. pain you will get a CAT scan regardless of ability to pay.  How soon would you recieve a CAT Scan in Canada???
Reply by gutenberg, on Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:49 pm
Hi there eddie, my sweet red neck and hair lovely, let me try to answer that one for you. As I was laying on a gurney after having the heart attack brought under control the doctor asked me if I ever had an aneurysm, I answered yes, but the only word I could recall was 'fusiforth" or something like that, so I told him to call my doctor and when he came back he said I had no aneurysm, at which point my younger brothers started raising hell. If he said he has one, he has one, end of story. so the doctor says he will try to get some orderlies to take me to the CT lab, but the boys were having none of that and told the doctor to lead the way, which he did for about a few seconds because we were flying down the hall with the sheets flying back in my face, these boys knew where the lab was and when we arrived they grabbed me and almost threw me across the CT table. So with scan done and back to emergency for the big wait and finally the doc came in and the boys asked ''how big" and the doc says quite large and one of my brothers started in on him, we like numbers doc, and as he hesitated one brother asked if it was bigger than a watermelon, and finally the doc says 6.5cm, then the cursing started we had lost a couple of  friends who had 5.5cm so we were aware of the consequences, but not aware that I would have to wait a year before they could operate because of the heart attack. All in all, I would say it was about 1 1/2 hours from the time I was admitted.
Now I don't for a minute mean to say this is anywhere near the norm, and if not for the heart attack and a couple of brothers raising hell I would hate to even guess how long a person had to wait for a scan. I know, not much help, but its the best I got, Ed
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