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The TRUTH about COVID and the Vaccine.....THIS WILL PISS YOU OFF!

Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:30 pm

Well.......the doctor in this video tells the truth about COVID and the vaccine.  Finally.  So listen to what he says very carefully.  It's not political in any way, just the cold hard truth.  And you won't like it.  If the video link doesn't appear below just search YouTube for "mt vernon school board meeting".  I'd say 'Enjoy' but I doubt anyone will.  

https://youtu.be/2wIFAoTVc7M

 

regards,

bob

 

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Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:19 pm

Bob, weren't you recently toying with the idea of trying to contract the virus because you feel you have a strong immune system? What test did you take that revealed the strength of your immune system? Would you also jump out of an airplane, sans parachute, to "test" your ability to fly? I mean, you do you, but I think I'll stick with actual science. 

Laurie

Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:32 pm

good catch Bob.   another  "oh snap" moment.   you should run for president.   how you doing bro? I am back. -- Warrior

Past Member
Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:32 pm

 

  Thanks Bob, 

 It's plainly said and makes sense. 

Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:52 pm

 

  Padfoot wrote:  

Bob, weren't you recently toying with the idea of trying to contract the virus because you feel you have a strong immune system? What test did you take that revealed the strength of your immune system? Would you also jump out of an airplane, sans parachute, to "test" your ability to fly? I mean, you do you, but I think I'll stick with actual science. 

Laurie

 



bob  likes  his toys and toying... he's a man child.

Past Member
Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:17 pm

Thanks Bob.

I do like it and I did enjoy it.

Cheers mate. 

 

 

 

Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:13 pm

 

  Padfoot wrote:  

Bob, weren't you recently toying with the idea of trying to contract the virus because you feel you have a strong immune system? What test did you take that revealed the strength of your immune system? Would you also jump out of an airplane, sans parachute, to "test" your ability to fly? I mean, you do you, but I think I'll stick with actual science. 

Laurie

 



Hi Pad.......I absolutly was.  I have my WBC checked routinely, and it's always spot on perfect.........and my Adalimumab residual checked a couple times a year, as my immune system kicks the snot out of it.  That's what Crohn's is.......a hyperactive immune system that tears up your intestines in the process.  I take twice the recommended dose of Humira (an immunosuppressive) in half the normal injection interval and my immune system just laughs at it.  I haven't had even so much as the sniffles in the last 10 years and I only get between 2 1/2 and 3 hours of sleep a night.....every night.  If my immune system can't smack COVID around, no one's can. 

I HAVE pondered how I want to leave this rock, and although I don't think I have the ability to fly......jumping out of an airplane sans parachute is right up near the top of the list, just a notch below crossing the double yellow at 80 mph and hitting a loaded Semi head on.......to get a great experience of momentum and inertia on my way out.  I had a bunch of co-worker friends plummet to their death after the commuter plane I routinely took at work between bases collided with a father and son in a private plane at 10,000 feet, so I do wonder what I would have thought about on my way down to the ground after I exited the plane.......it's one of those conversations with yourself that you just can't plan ahead of time, but must be a real doosey.  But I think I got a little time to decide between the two.  Maybe I'll let you know which one I decide to exit with.  Maybe I'll just let you read about it or see it on the news......we'll see.  

 

;0)

bob

Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:25 am

Thx for the information very interesting to say the least! As for this COVID-19 nightmare I don't think we will fully understand why this pandemic happened as it did for another 20 years. My WBC is good also but as we know sleep makes our bodies heall and rejuvenate to.  But I strongly believe that no one is   Amunied to COVID-19 it doesn't discriminate.  

To each it own on how one wants to exit! ...I just know cancer and blood clots and bleeding internally and sepsis or child birth didn't take me  from this earth. I personally don't want to be taken out by COVID-19! WTF.  I can only think of one way I might consider how I want to exit but that a different topic. 

Regardless I hope we all stay safe and healthy and always be happy and enjoy! What ever time we all have left!

Hugs 🤗 

Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:44 am

follow the science get vaccinated. help yourself and those around you , do not listen to mavericks.



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Thu Aug 12, 2021 3:12 am

Bob wrote:
"I HAVE pondered how I want to leave this rock, and although I don't think I have the ability to fly......jumping out of an airplane sans parachute is right up near the top of the list, just a notch below crossing the double yellow at 80 mph and hitting a loaded Semi head on.......to get a great experience of momentum and inertia on my way out. I had a bunch of co-worker friends plummet to their death after the commuter plane I routinely took at work between bases collided with a father and son in a private plane at 10,000 feet, so I do wonder what I would have thought about on my way down to the ground after I exited the plane.......it's one of those conversations with yourself that you just can't plan ahead of time, but must be a real doosey. But I think I got a little time to decide between the two. Maybe I'll let you know which one I decide to exit with. Maybe I'll just let you read about it or see it on the news......we'll see."


Hello Bob.
Thanks for your interesting contribution to the ongoing conversation on dying. Traditionally, this subject is not one that many people wish to engage in as it can become emotionally uncomfortable.
I have documented my contemplations on this concept In a previous publication : SOD - Self-Organised Death (2018). I will reproduce the introduction, (below) to give a flavour of its contents:
SOD: An introduction to Self-Organised Death.

It had crossed my mind to write about SOD (Self-Organised Death) in a book as an integral part of SOLAR (Self -Organised Living And Reflecting). However, on reflection, it felt appropriate to discuss the subject, with just a fleeting acknowledgement as to its origins.

‘The decision-making process as to whether to organise one’s own death must surely have something to do with the way one feels about ‘life’ as well as death.
As it emanated from the concept of Self-Organised Living And Reflecting (SOLAR) rather than as a separate entity, I did not want my own discussion of the subject to read like a Do It Yourself manual on committing suicide. Although as this is a very broad subject and there are many perspectives on each aspect, my main concerns and focus will surround the concepts of ‘quality of life’, ‘freedom to choose’, ‘bullying’ and ‘consideration for others’.

Death, for some people, is undesirable and often feared. They will do almost anything to avoid it and seem to put a lot of effort into prolonging their lives for as long as possible.
Presumably, these people have adjudged their lives to be worthwhile and have a quality of life, which seems sufficiently advantageous to want it to continue for as long as possible.

My unequivocal feeling is, that they should be supported in their aims and aspirations, right up to the inevitable time of their death.

There are, however, other people whose lives are far from ‘worthwhile’, who are living in physical, psychological and emotional turmoil and agony, which lead them to wish it would all end and they could die.
There are others who, whilst their lives have some acceptable quality, would like that to continue. However, they realise that this quality of life may not last if they became terminally ill or got too old and frail for their quality of life to remain as it once was. These people may firmly believe that they should be allowed and assisted to die in a manner of their choosing.

My unequivocal feeling is, that they should be supported in their aims and aspirations, right up to the inevitable time of their death.

It is this aspect of supporting people to Self-Organise their own lives right up to their death in whatever way they wish, that is the framework in which this discussion takes place.’

 

In this book , I explore the idea of an ‘ideal SOD’ (below) :

‘AN IDEAL SOD.
An ideal SOD (Self-Organised Death) for me would be to die pain-free, in peace and with dignity, preferably in my own home.
I have no desire to commit suicide, in the fashion that many of my clients have described because not only were they often contemplating violent and painful deaths, their choices of practical methods would have involved necessitating other people to have to clean up the mess after them.

Often, the aftermath of jumping in front of a train, bus or off a motorway bridge, is that the suicidal person is forcing someone else to assist them in their act of dying, when that someone would not by choice have become involved.
Very often, a consequence of such actions is that the person, who is inadvertently ‘assisting’ the death, is severely traumatised by the event and their part in it.
Thus, in effect, the suicidal person is punishing innocent bystanders, because they felt they had no other choice than killing themselves in this way. Perhaps, if they had a choice of legalised ‘assisted dying’, then there would be far fewer of these unfortunate events.’

Obviously, there is a lot more discussion in the book surrounding the taking of one’s own life :
‘In contemplating the actual method, for my own death, I came up with all sorts of ways to die, without having to move very far from my own home.

In fact, modern Health and Safety regulations insist that manufacturers, utility industries and others, instruct people how to kill themselves, by way of the warnings they are obliged to put on or near their products, on how people (so inclined) can end their lives.
‘Electricity can kill,’ ‘Beware of the Gas’, ‘Boilers can emit dangerous carbon monoxide fumes which can kill’, ‘Plastic bags can suffocate’ etc.
Inhaling toxic fumes such as aerosols and glue can also kill, but they are somewhat unreliable.
I am assured that helium can do the trick and it is easy enough to buy a gas bottle full of helium if you simply told the vendors that you were going to have a ‘party’.
They would probably still sell it to you if you told them that the party was a ‘wake’, as they would assume that you were going to let off a load of balloons as a mark of respect for whoever was dead.
I am not a fan of helium balloons or Chinese lanterns because as soon as they leave the ground, they are going to be yet another piece of rubbish littering our countryside, with nobody taking responsibility for dumping it.
Then there are the tried and tested methods for dying by one’s own hand, such as vehicle exhaust fumes, which are probably slowly killing us all anyway but would kill us a lot quicker if they were channelled into a small space like a car.
I am an avid wildlife enthusiast so it will come as no surprise that I know which fungi are poisonous and which ones will kill me quickest.
Most of these methods have long-since been set up and are ready for the day I may feel the need for them and, I like to think that I would have a choice of alternatives when the time comes.
Something I would like to say is that one of the choices available to me is to take any one or combination of modern drugs. However, if that was to be my way out, I would not choose any of the drugs I have been prescribed by my doctor over the years because this might reflect badly on him.
I have had many clients who were dependent upon illegal and prescription drugs and most of them have been willing to either supply me with whatever I wanted or they knew somebody who would.
If I was to follow their advice on the drug most likely to kill me in the peaceful and contented manner that I would aim for, the overwhelming recommendation has been to take an overdose of heroin.
Apparently, this will do the job satisfactorily and efficiently by easing me into a peaceful, painless sleep prior to death.
Having never used illegal drugs during my lifetime, people might think that I would carry this philosophy through to my death. However, they would be wrong in that assumption as I am not opposed to the suggestion of utilizing them for my death, especially as it is illegal to take the drug suggested.
It would please me no end to think that there was no way ‘they’ could prosecute me for a crime committed immediately before my demise, for this is the sort of immunity that I would like to see for anyone who was kind enough to ‘assist’ me in my final act’.

Getting back to the point I wished to make about’ choices’:
In the discussion about methods of dying, I also should have included the insidious ways that certain members of the human population have both deliberately and inadvertently shortened the lives of others by their bullying and greed. The pollution of the Earth in so many different ways by humans, is systematically killing almost every living thing including themselves.
My own perspective, would view these people as a form of ‘bully’ who impose their own will on reluctant others, with fatal and/or debilitating results.
A similar principle would apply to those who are not bothered about catching covid19 themselves.
This is fine, unless they are also not bothered about spreading it to others who do not wish to contract the disease. In the latter case, I would view them as falling into the category of ‘bully’ in the same way that there were a minority of people who deliberately infected their fellow humans with STD’s and other infectious diseases in the past.
Sorry about the length of this discussion, but I feel sure that you will understand that this is the sort of subject that could be discussed ad nauseam.

Best wishes

Bill

Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:41 am

So it's just a coincidence that as vaccine use goes up, cases, hospitaliations & deaths go down?  Well, that's good to know.

Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:43 pm

Well the guy clearly sounds educated and everything he said sounds great and very professional if you aren't a scientist, or specialized in this field. I would have liked to have seen other scientists or medical professionals that have studied germs and diseases in the same room to rebut anything they feel he said was incorrect. He's very convincing to a layman like me who knows nothing about germs and diseases, and how they spread and mutate.

I have been fully vaccinated, and yes I'm taking a chance that in 10 or 20 years I may grow tumours all over my body, or something else related to the vaccine, but here, according to the news in Canada, the majority of the people testing positive are the unvaccinated. 

I also witnessed seeing people in a Covid ward when my mom was in the hospital and close to dying. There was no room elsewhere, so they placed her in that ward. The horrific things I saw and all the tubes coming out of these individuals was enough to convince me to get vaccinated. 

I wish everyone here health and happiness 👍🏼

Rod- Uro2011

Past Member
Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:33 pm

Rod, congratulations on being fully vaccinated. You have done yourself a big favour. MRNA vaccines have actually been around for a long time - 3 decades - and they have been used for rabies, Ebola, flu, and other viruses. We've had lots of time to study them to see if there are any long term ill effects. I hope that mRNA vaccines will be used to treat cancer in the near future - that will be a fantastic shift in the treatment of cancer.

 

In addition to the obvious perils of Covid, a recent study in the UK has shown that those who survive Covid are at higher risk for cognitive decline, especially if they were on a ventilator - they found that a 7 point drop in IQ was not extraordinary. That is the equivalent to lead poisoning or suffering a stroke. So even if one were to survive Covid, there are very likely long lasting effects from the virus. By the way, this study was peer reviewed - that is what real science is.

 

Laurie

Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:13 pm

Hi Bob,  Well, the guy sounds and looks very professional, I mean golly, he's even wearing suspenders!  What he says must be  the truth right? I agree with what others here have said, follow the peer reviewed science.  It's easy for someone with a medical background to sound believable to laypeople like you and me.  I'm not sure why you have chosen to believe this guy, but good luck with your super immune system.  I'll stick to the real science which has already proven that the vaccines do work.  I'm fully vaccinated so at least I have a much lower chance of catching the virus from people like you, and in the unlikely event that I do catch it, any symptoms I suffer are likely to be minor. 

Terry

Thu Aug 12, 2021 4:47 pm

 

  delgrl525 wrote:  

Hi Bob,  Well, the guy sounds and looks very professional, I mean golly, he's even wearing suspenders!  What he says must be  the truth right? I agree with what others here have said, follow the peer reviewed science.  It's easy for someone with a medical background to sound believable to laypeople like you and me.  I'm not sure why you have chosen to believe this guy, but good luck with your super immune system.  I'll stick to the real science which has already proven that the vaccines do work.  I'm fully vaccinated so at least I have a much lower chance of catching the virus from people like you, and in the unlikely event that I do catch it, any symptoms I suffer are likely to be minor. 

Terry

 



There are 491,667 primary care physicians in the USA.  There are 566, 961 specialist physicians in the USA.  I notice we're not hearing from many of them agreeing with the guy Bob has drawn attention to.  One tends to like this guy's quasi-medical opinion about vaccines if one has a natural anti-governmental perspective, I suppose.  But it's not just gov't-connected doctors pushing for people to get the vaccine.  It's all doctors, minus the rightwing quacks.  Some of the ludicrous things that conspiracy theorists believe and expound amaze me.  The fact that well over 90% of those getting Covid these days are unvaccinated can't be written off as "bad luck" or governmental lies.  With all due respect to the right to entertain personal opinions, those publishing all this nonsense about masks and vaccines being bad ought to be prosecuted.

Past Member
Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:48 pm

 

  HenryM wrote:  

 

 

There are 491,667 primary care physicians in the USA.  There are 566, 961 specialist physicians in the USA.  I notice we're not hearing from many of them agreeing with the guy Bob has drawn attention to.  One tends to like this guy's quasi-medical opinion about vaccines if one has a natural anti-governmental perspective, I suppose.  But it's not just gov't-connected doctors pushing for people to get the vaccine.  It's all doctors, minus the rightwing quacks.  Some of the ludicrous things that conspiracy theorists believe and expound amaze me.  The fact that well over 90% of those getting Covid these days are unvaccinated can't be written off as "bad luck" or governmental lies.  With all due respect to the right to entertain personal opinions, those publishing all this nonsense about masks and vaccines being bad ought to be prosecuted.

 



  

  To tag onto the comments...

Everyone has an opinion and is definitely entitled to that but I notice when something is said or posted there is always an attack like sharks when they smell blood in the water. Can't we address things without skirmishes? Is it possible to discuss things and leave the agendas outside the room?

 Everyone here knows me and I think y'all know what I'm saying is simple and evident. I may get some nasty feedback for my comments but they don't have any animosity intended. 

  Just thought I'd point out what I'm seeing and it seems to often. Thanks, mtnman. 

Past Member
Thu Aug 12, 2021 5:55 pm

I decided to watch the video, in fairness. Here are my thoughts:

 

I am immediately struck by his presentation style. He uses a very slick, used car salesman approach fast talking, throwing "facts" at such a rate that you can't possibly rebut them because you're just trying to figure out what he's said. He uses jargon. If he really wanted you to understand what he's saying, he wouldn't - but he doesn't want you to understand, he just wants to bamboozle you. Whenever I hear someone suggest that they are the smartest person in the room, I can pretty much be sure that they aren't. He is suggesting exactly that - that he alone understands how to deal with Covid. Nobody else, the CDC et al, can lead us out of this mess - only he can. As Henry has already pointed out, there are over 1 million doctors in the US - and this guy apparently knows better than everyone else. To say that the CDC doesn't bother to read science is utter nonsense - that is exactly what they read. What they don't pay attention to is nonsense.

 

CDC has never claimed that the vaccine could eradicate the virus - that is a misconception! The purpose of the vaccine has always been to flatten the curve - to keep people from overwhelming the hospitals. It is true that there was a breakout infection of fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts, but those infected largely had mild symptoms that didn't require hospitalization. You can still get the virus if you are fully vaccinated; you are much less likely to get sick enough to require hospital.

 

Millions of children globally are vaccinated against measles, mumps and rubella every year. If that vaccine is so dangerous as to infect others with the mumps virus, why isn't the mumps rampant?

 

The reason the US is having a Covid spike in the summer, despite our uptake of vitamin D being the highest, is that many places aren't taking precautions - indeed, places like Florida and Texas are actively fighting precautions. The delta variant of concern is much more transmissible than previous versions of the virus, and so many people are proving to be willing hosts.

 

Fifteen people is not a study sample; this is simply anecdotal, even if he is telling the truth about it. 

Even if you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the media are just saying what big pharma tells them to say (and there can be no doubt that some media are just a mouthpiece for  someone!) that doesn't mean that scholarly journals work for big pharma. If there actually was science in what this guy is suggesting, the journals would be lit up with this information. Fighting Covid is expensive! If there was a cheaper, simpler, less intrusive way to fight it, government would be all over it.

 

This man is dangerous. Spreading this nonsense is reprehensible. In Ontario, he would be stripped of his license. I hope such a mechanism exists in his jurisdiction. The idea that governments all over the world are keeping the truth from us is just plain silly. It would be impossible to get the heads of state to agree on most anything - hell, we can't even get worldwide consensus that the Nazis were bad. Please use your noggin when mavericks are speaking. Don't just take their word for it; you need credible proof - something this guy just doesn't have.

 

Laurie

Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:09 pm


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Bob, Et Al...

I sent your link to several friends.  one sent this link back to me. You know.. when you read about stuff, you have to take it with grain of salt.

Everyone has an opinion. Like butts hole. Everyone uses it.  This guy got shot down in no time. posts all over u tube and face book are booming over this doctor.

You found it. showed us it. You are not resposibly for it's content.  But clearly there are  people trying to be heros and sought after..  I don't listen to the news anymore. I do what I can to protect myself and others.  got vaccinated in April.  I wear gloves a few times.  But you can't fix stupid.  Stupid is out there  now.  there is more proof showing vacc people do recover with less hospitalization. 

your link didn't piss me off. Its just another guy show boating his voice, opinion,  needing to be heard.  Free speech. he is entitled to.  but you can't scream "fire"   or   "BOMB"in a theather when there is none. 

Best of luck to everyone and good health. -- Warrior.  

 

and a half hour later... oh boy.. I should have read the above posts but glad I wrote what I did.  All of you rocked this thread.. all good points made.  posting shit like this meeting can turn to poop instantly.....  and Bob, becareful how you opened this pandoras box, and next time think before you post  buddy..  saying the drs  view point is the truth.    tsk tsk..  you're smarted than that.. even in a skirt. :)   half truths at best. if even that.   Mavericks die young I am told.  Don't make me come down there and give you mouth to mouth if you're exiting this planet any time soon bro. --- Warrior worried..

 

Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:45 pm

 

  Mtnman wrote:  

 

 

  

  To tag onto the comments...

Everyone has an opinion and is definitely entitled to that but I notice when something is said or posted there is always an attack like sharks when they smell blood in the water. Can't we address things without skirmishes? Is it possible to discuss things and leave the agendas outside the room?

 Everyone here knows me and I think y'all know what I'm saying is simple and evident. I may get some nasty feedback for my comments but they don't have any animosity intended. 

  Just thought I'd point out what I'm seeing and it seems to often. Thanks, mtnman. 

 



I agree with all you said! Mtnman,

I to have seen some topics and what is said and I am like wow!  And at times kinda taken back on something that are said here! And yes here is not the place for this.  I think we all  can disagree politely but still respect each other's opinions.  

Communication is always keys in life!!  And I am new here but I feel content being here because of my new life and have learned so much from all of you!  I hope I don't ruffle anyone's feathers. 

Thanks BAYS  

Past Member
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:04 pm

Thanks Mtnman and Bays for being the voice of reason on here, always a pleasure to read your comments.

I always skim over those posts that seem divisive or political (have noted they seem to be a tad long-winded and honestly, who has the time?!)  Life is way too short.

Peace all.

Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:30 am

 

  HenryM wrote:  

So it's just a coincidence that as vaccine use goes up, cases, hospitaliations & deaths go down?  Well, that's good to know.

 



Celebrating 18 months. Of " 2 weeks to flatten the curve" 

This is a virus...well Chinese bio weapon really....but I digress these "vaccines" or what ever you want to believe they are will NEVER stop this virus....natural immunity goes much farther then these vaccs ever will... Think I'm wrong? 

Has the flu shot stop the flu pandemic of 1917? Ummmmm no! 

Has the common cold..also a virus been cured?  

See the pattern here? 

All this smoke and mirror's the government is playing with the population right now is criminal!  It's all fear mongering to control the masses!   

If the gov TRULY believe in following the science like everyone rants about...they would close the border in the south...

But they won't.....why because they don't believe in the science they so desperately want you to swallow!!   

It is so easliy treated with monoclonal therapies. Hydroxycloroquin...and other's but. "They" out lawed some of these..why?  Remember..cant let a good crisis go to waste!  

It's a geo political power grab!!   Making the " elites" world wide very wealthy at the same time taking your freedoms away from you.... Remember ...and this was scientifically proven that this. Virus has a 99.5 percent survivability rate!   More people die of the flu then this virus! Oh!! But wait!!  What are the flu death rate numbers?? Nobody seems to know!  The flu and phenomena numbers magically went away....no not really..they ...they combined them into the Covid numbers to make it look like. covud is as bad as they say.....

But I digress yet again! 

Dg44

Past Member
Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:41 am

 

  dentalguy44 wrote:  

 

 

Celebrating 18 months. Of " 2 weeks to flatten the curve" 

This is a virus...well Chinese bio weapon really....but I digress these "vaccines" or what ever you want to believe they are will NEVER stop this virus....natural immunity goes much farther then these vaccs ever will... Think I'm wrong? 

Has the flu shot stop the flu pandemic of 1917? Ummmmm no! 

Has the common cold..also a virus been cured?  

See the pattern here? 

All this smoke and mirror's the government is playing with the population right now is criminal!  It's all fear mongering to control the masses!   

If the gov TRULY believe in following the science like everyone rants about...they would close the border in the south...

But they won't.....why because they don't believe in the science they so desperately want you to swallow!!   

It is so easliy treated with monoclonal therapies. Hydroxycloroquin...and other's but. "They" out lawed some of these..why?  Remember..cant let a good crisis go to waste!  

It's a geo political power grab!!   Making the " elites" world wide very wealthy at the same time taking your freedoms away from you.... Remember ...and this was scientifically proven that this. Virus has a 99.5 percent survivability rate!   More people die of the flu then this virus! Oh!! But wait!!  What are the flu death rate numbers?? Nobody seems to know!  The flu and phenomena numbers magically went away....no not really..they ...they combined them into the Covid numbers to make it look like. covud is as bad as they say.....

But I digress yet again! 

Dg44

 



Vaccines are not meant to eradicate viruses; they are meant to prevent serious illness, hospitalization and death. No credible source ever said that vaccines could eradicate the virus. The idea that governments worldwide would agree to control the masses is so far fetched, it's silly. I'm so sorry that you believe the conspiracy theories, but that's your choice. I wish you good luck.

 

Laurie

Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:43 pm

 

  Padfoot wrote:  

 

 

Vaccines are not meant to eradicate viruses; they are meant to prevent serious illness, hospitalization and death. No credible source ever said that vaccines could eradicate the virus. The idea that governments worldwide would agree to control the masses is so far fetched, it's silly. I'm so sorry that you believe the conspiracy theories, but that's your choice. I wish you good luck.

 

Laurie

 



I don't follow conspiracy theories... 

I don't have time...and if you listen to the government here in the USA they think the vaccs they are the cure all.. Just listen to the "expert's"  " if we can get the shot into everyone's arm this will stop the spread"  Fauci words...not mine...

Now Biden or as I like to call Obama's sock puppet..squints has made it all about the un vaccinated....this is a pandemic of the un vaccinated!! Really?! 

Mandates and other actions such as vaccine passports are all set out to discriminate the un vaccinated from those who are vaccinated.  Shame those in to submission....California and New York are already doing this for some situations....maybe you think its a good idea?  

What people fail to see here is it is a loss of freedom to move around at will.... To go where you want to go with out hearing

"Vacc card please"  

Australia medical "expert" doesn't want people talikng to one another even if your masked ajd vaccinated...to risky..

The Delta Variant the new Covid boogie man is easier to catch yes... But isn't nearly as strong as the first round...and as I said previously... There are many ways to treat it..even over the counter things like Zinc and Vit D&C.  Do you hear the press or media ANYWHERE talking about this?  I haven't..just the opposite... Yeah vaccs don't stop a virus..except maybe polio and a few other nasties out there...but to DEMAND that you take a shot or your the cause of the new spread or outbreak is to me nothing short of government control...maybe you don't see it that way but myself and a crap ton of others do....

 

Past Member
Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:50 pm

 

  dentalguy44 wrote:  

 

 

I don't follow conspiracy theories... 

I don't have time...and if you listen to the government here in the USA they think the vaccs they are the cure all.. Just listen to the "expert's"  " if we can get the shot into everyone's arm this will stop the spread"  Fauci words...not mine...

Now Biden or as I like to call Obama's sock puppet..squints has made it all about the un vaccinated....this is a pandemic of the un vaccinated!! Really?! 

Mandates and other actions such as vaccine passports are all set out to discriminate the un vaccinated from those who are vaccinated.  Shame those in to submission....California and New York are already doing this for some situations....maybe you think its a good idea?  

What people fail to see here is it is a loss of freedom to move around at will.... To go where you want to go with out hearing

"Vacc card please"  

Australia medical "expert" doesn't want people talikng to one another even if your masked ajd vaccinated...to risky..

The Delta Variant the new Covid boogie man is easier to catch yes... But isn't nearly as strong as the first round...and as I said previously... There are many ways to treat it..even over the counter things like Zinc and Vit D&C.  Do you hear the press or media ANYWHERE talking about this?  I haven't..just the opposite... Yeah vaccs don't stop a virus..except maybe polio and a few other nasties out there...but to DEMAND that you take a shot or your the cause of the new spread or outbreak is to me nothing short of government control...maybe you don't see it that way but myself and a crap ton of others do....

 

 



Good luck to you.

 

Laurie

Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:18 pm

I'm a non confrontational person. I say live and let live. I don't care if you are vaccinated or not cause that's your choice. I would prefer whoever is around me to be vaccinated, but I'm not going to bash you for it or belittle you. In the end it's your choice, but watch this clip of good ol Arnold and he has one line in it that to me is something so simple and yet so true. He says "with freedom comes obligations and responsibilities" (to your fellow humans). I think he's bang on. We are all lucky to live in a country where we have our freedom, but that freedom shouldn't be affecting other people's lives, as to whether it affects that they may live or die if they contract the virus.

I may get the virus even though I'm fully vaccinated, but I have done what I can to try and prevent my kids, friends, neighbors, and my 87 yr old father from getting it from me. If I was unvaccinated and tested positive for the virus and passed it onto someone that died from the virus that I passed on to them, I'm not sure I would be able to live with that guilt for the rest of my life knowing I didn't do everything in my power to not only protect myself, but to protect anyone around me. Anyway, I know many of you will disagree with what I've said, but here's the clip. Just absorb that line and think about it is all I ask. 

https://apple.news/AywtXUuR_QdmKjCTSslBd9A

 https://apple.news/AywtXUuR_QdmKjCTSslBd9A

 

Past Member
Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:27 pm

 

  Uro2011 wrote:  

I'm a non confrontational person. I say live and let live. I don't care if you are vaccinated or not cause that's your choice. I would prefer whoever is around me to be vaccinated, but I'm not going to bash you for it or belittle you. In the end it's your choice, but watch this clip of good ol Arnold and he has one line in it that to me is something so simple and yet so true. He says "with freedom comes obligations and responsibilities" (to your fellow humans). I think he's bang on. We are all lucky to live in a country where we have our freedom, but that freedom shouldn't be affecting other people's lives, as to whether it affects that they may live or die if they contract the virus.

I may get the virus even though I'm fully vaccinated, but I have done what I can to try and prevent my kids, friends, neighbors, and my 87 yr old father from getting it from me. If I was unvaccinated and tested positive for the virus and passed it onto someone that died from the virus that I passed on to them, I'm not sure I would be able to live with that guilt for the rest of my life knowing I didn't do everything in my power to not only protect myself, but to protect anyone around me. Anyway, I know many of you will disagree with what I've said, but here's the clip. Just absorb that line and think about it is all I ask. 

https://apple.news/AywtXUuR_QdmKjCTSslBd9A

 https://apple.news/AywtXUuR_QdmKjCTSslBd9A

 

 



Beautiful. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

Laurie

Past Member
Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:33 pm

 

  Uro2011 wrote:  

I'm a non confrontational person. I say live and let live. I don't care if you are vaccinated or not cause that's your choice. I would prefer whoever is around me to be vaccinated, but I'm not going to bash you for it or belittle you. In the end it's your choice, but watch this clip of good ol Arnold and he has one line in it that to me is something so simple and yet so true. He says "with freedom comes obligations and responsibilities" (to your fellow humans). I think he's bang on. We are all lucky to live in a country where we have our freedom, but that freedom shouldn't be affecting other people's lives, as to whether it affects that they may live or die if they contract the virus.

I may get the virus even though I'm fully vaccinated, but I have done what I can to try and prevent my kids, friends, neighbors, and my 87 yr old father from getting it from me. If I was unvaccinated and tested positive for the virus and passed it onto someone that died from the virus that I passed on to them, I'm not sure I would be able to live with that guilt for the rest of my life knowing I didn't do everything in my power to not only protect myself, but to protect anyone around me. Anyway, I know many of you will disagree with what I've said, but here's the clip. Just absorb that line and think about it is all I ask. 

https://apple.news/AywtXUuR_QdmKjCTSslBd9A

 https://apple.news/AywtXUuR_QdmKjCTSslBd9A

 

 



 

   Hi Uro,

You are right we all have free will. My mom will be 93 come next month. Take care. 

Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:42 pm

 

  Mtnman wrote:  

 

 

  

  To tag onto the comments...

Everyone has an opinion and is definitely entitled to that but I notice when something is said or posted there is always an attack like sharks when they smell blood in the water. Can't we address things without skirmishes? Is it possible to discuss things and leave the agendas outside the room?

 Everyone here knows me and I think y'all know what I'm saying is simple and evident. I may get some nasty feedback for my comments but they don't have any animosity intended. 

  Just thought I'd point out what I'm seeing and it seems to often. Thanks, mtnman. 

 



Hi Mountain,  With all due respect to you, surely you have to see that this particular post was meant to provoke just the kind of response it's getting.  I mean part of the post's title is "this will piss you off!".  Doesn't get much more provacative than that.  Considering how contentious this issue is, and how many strong opinions there are among members, I think it has stayed fairly civil.  

Stay well,

Terry

Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:31 am

Hello All, 

I want to thank BOB again for posting this video with the info and title.  It started strong dialog regarding COVID-19 and all that comes with. It. And everyone shared info I learned something and was  Enlightened by some things mentioned too.  By the members 

I don't think this post was to provoke anyone or the title also. I understood by the title that I may be very pissed off on what I hear 👂. On video but for me was oh wow ok never heard this before .

I  did agree with Mountainman and I did feel some words noted in the dialog were  Snapping 🐢 words to me those words are provoking. 

Best way is to respectful disagree politely.  I  know this topic burned-out🔥. 

BAYS 🌸🎼🧚‍♂️💺🎤

Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:09 am

Hi Bays,

  You're welcome, of course.  When I pulled the pin and rolled this grenade under the kitchen table I figured it would generate some much needed conversation on here.  It's been a bit tame and boring on here as of late, so I needed to spice it up a bit.  And it seems I have!  It's good that we talk..........because when we just huff and puff and go to our seperate corners and don't talk to each other........it's not good for anyone.  I have NOT read all the replies..........I just saw this notification for your reply in my email and jumped in right here..........so I will go back and see what everyone is saying as soon as I can.  I'm sure it's a good conversation and some with closed minds will never listen to anything that doesn't jive with what they've been told or want to believe. And that's on all sides of the aisle.  Again, my intent here wasn't to take sides........just to get you guys talking.  So I'll read everything when I get some time later (or tomorrow)........and THEN take a side!!!

I was taught the best way to tell the cowards from the heros is to toss a grenade in a room full of people.  The cowards run, the heros fall on the grenade. The idiots just stand there oblivious or not caring.  Those are really the only types of people there are.  It's not a very practical test, as we eventually run out of heros.......so I just use it metaphorically.  Hey Osotmates..............are we having fun yet???

 

Be back in a flash!

:0)

bob

 

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