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Sat Nov 06, 2021 2:31 am
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IN OUR OWN SPECIAL, OSTOMY WAY, we’re all health nuts on this site, so we should all be hyper-concerned about the viability and appropriateness of the vaccines being administered across the country. We ought to fear the misinformation loose in the land, and do the best that we can to counter it with facts, medical findings, and legitimate scientific data from reputable sources. In a word: truth. Unfortunately, there are a lot of credulous people out there who will believe anything. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE RECENTLY GATHERED this past week in Dallas, where JFK was assassinated in 1963, believing that JFK Jr. was going to come back from the dead and become Donald Trump’s running mate in 2024. I cannot imagine what simpleminded, disappointed thoughts must have oozed through their heads when, amazingly, this contemporary reenactment of Lazarus did not occur as expected. Then there was the far-right newscaster on Newsmax who, addressing “Christians,” warned them that covid vaccines contain “a bioluminescent marker called LUCIFERACE so that you can be tracked.” These are just two recent examples of the extreme multiplicity of bizarre and nonsensical conspiracy theories making the rounds among people who also appear to believe that Trump himself is going to save them from the blood-drinking, baby devouring, pedophile Democrats. Somewhere there must be an identifiable line in the hazy, wavering space between stupidity and mental illness, but I’m having difficulty identifying it. Scoffing at this sort of simplistic, unbelievable idiocy is one’s initial reaction, but then one realizes how dangerous and frightening it is. Many of these QAnon dupes were in the crowd of insurrectionists that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6th. As for me, so long as the vaccine saves me from the proven horrors of a Covid hospitalization and death, which it appears to be doing for millions of Americans, the government can put whatever sort of tracker into the vaccine they want. Following me will bore them silly.

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Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:30 am

Hello HenryM.
What and how people think and believe in stuff is quite a complex area of study and it’s really anyone’s guess as to the reasons behind why they think like they do.
My own take on the sorts of people you describe is that they are not all ‘unintelligent, stupid, moronic, idiots’. Therefore, there must be other explanations for their thought processes.
A reasonable contender (for me), might be that there is often a smidgeon of credibility in their line of reasoning, which gets focussed on, exaggerated, and elaborated upon until it becomes beyond ‘reason’.
This type of thinking/reasoning is often diagnosed as OCD – Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which, according to the psychiatric profession, is a ‘mental illness’.
I have thoroughly read through that profession’s diagnostic handbooks several times ( I could hardly believe it first time!), and came to the conclusion that there was nobody I knew (or had ever known), that did not fit their criteria for some kind of ‘mental illness’. Hence, this line of reasoning did not help a great deal in coming to any definitive conclusions about the weirder side of human thinking.
Another contender for explanatory purposes is the ‘sheep’ theory (which I have outlined before)
That is: Most of these people do not ‘think’ for themselves, but ‘follow’ instinctively (without thinking), those who do. Those ‘leaders’ (indeed most ‘leaders’) may well be described as having OCD. So, if as a society, we can have a ‘sensible’ criteria for stopping potentially damaging people from being ‘leaders’, then we might stand a better chance of having a more ‘sensible’ society.
I have just finished reading an article in the latest edition of 'The Psychologist' which expresses some of the concepts that I have thought were relevant for years. Given the tone of some of your own posts on MAO I felt that you might also be interested in what seems to be a well-presented argument for a fundamental change in how we select our leaders.
Given the subject of your present post, I felt we might as well share this with anyone else that might be interested!

 

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-34/november-2021/problem-pathocracy 

Best wishes
Bill

 

Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:34 am


Bill wrote:

Hello HenryM.
What and how people think and believe in stuff is quite a complex area of study and it’s really anyone’s guess as to the reasons behind why they think like they do.
My own take on the sorts of people you describe is that they are not all ‘unintelligent, stupid, moronic, idiots’. Therefore, there must be other explanations for their thought processes.
A reasonable contender (for me), might be that there is often a smidgeon of credibility in their line of reasoning, which gets focussed on, exaggerated, and elaborated upon until it becomes beyond ‘reason’.
This type of thinking/reasoning is often diagnosed as OCD – Obsessive Compulsive Disorder which, according to the psychiatric profession, is a ‘mental illness’.
I have thoroughly read through that profession’s diagnostic handbooks several times ( I could hardly believe it first time!), and came to the conclusion that there was nobody I knew (or had ever known), that did not fit their criteria for some kind of ‘mental illness’. Hence, this line of reasoning did not help a great deal in coming to any definitive conclusions about the weirder side of human thinking.
Another contender for explanatory purposes is the ‘sheep’ theory (which I have outlined before)
That is: Most of these people do not ‘think’ for themselves, but ‘follow’ instinctively (without thinking), those who do. Those ‘leaders’ (indeed most ‘leaders’) may well be described as having OCD. So, if as a society, we can have a ‘sensible’ criteria for stopping potentially damaging people from being ‘leaders’, then we might stand a better chance of having a more ‘sensible’ society.
I have just finished reading an article in the latest edition of 'The Psychologist' which expresses some of the concepts that I have thought were relevant for years. Given the tone of some of your own posts on MAO I felt that you might also be interested in what seems to be a well-presented argument for a fundamental change in how we select our leaders.
Given the subject of your present post, I felt we might as well share this with anyone else that might be interested!

 

https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-34/november-2021/problem-pathocracy 

Best wishes
Bill

 

Thanks, Bill, for posting that spot-on article.  I have a copy of "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" on my desk, edited by psychiatrist Bandy Lee, and containing the articles of 37 other psychiatrists and mental health professionals, so I'm quite familiar with the psychopathy Trump and others like him exhibit.  It amazes me that, even today, I've yet to see anyone in public life refer to Trump as mentally ill, which he so clearly is. 

Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:08 am

Hi Guys ,    great post Henry  and  thanks  Bill for your  thoughtful comment , I  really love to see how other people , thinking human beings  relate to this bizzare  confusion some people exhibit  when they go " off the reservation "  and wander into  some  scary and  obcessive  thinking processes . 

    As you say there is a smidgen (?)   of truth in some of these  beliefs , theories  anf frankly  bordering on insane beliefs .  The Dealy Plaza / Grassy Knoll  people who gathered in Dallas  fall into the mental illness category .  If they had been focused on the assassination  of JFK   and questioning the veracity of the official story  regarding the " lone shooter" conclsion , " the Magic Bullet "  scenario then I would understand  their position . A man named Cyril Wecht  has written extensively on the JFK  assassination and he makes a great case for an actual conspiracy . The Gulf of Tonkin  incident that kick started a horrible war based on lies and false accounts of a US ship being targeted by the Vietmin . The Gulf War , George Senior 's and Colin Powel's  ( large cast of lying characters )  foray into Fakery .which cost the lives , collectively , of hundreds of thousands  of people and the destruction of an entire country , weapons of Mass Destruction ( Distraction ) .  These are conversations wortht of debate , IMHO  !! There are Actual Conspiracies and there are contrived conspiracies  which can whip people into a frenzy . The  almost " mass psychosis "  taking over in some groups and countries is a totally different kettle of fish !! 

   I think that  fundamentally people want to " Belong "  , to be part o some big picture , like a Brotherhood /  Sisterhood of  believers , sometimes this manifests as extreme religious beliefs , fanatical beliefs  and sometimes it is a bizzare  purely secular or political beliefs  , something which is True or Untrue but which all the group can subscribe to . The belief that ĺizard People or Pedophile  blood drinking , Baby Eating  beings have taken over the country and must be stopped . I don't think the particular belief is as important  as the fact that the whole group is totally invested in this common belief . Being part of a bigger enterprise  with a common cause is the realuy important factor .

   A Psychology  students wrote his Thesis on the  Guru  who has believers  , followers who would literally follow their Guru over a cliff if told to do so .  This student rented a storefront in LA . He got some puffy cushions to sit on , at the head of the group , grew his beard and hair long and got some Guru worthy robes . As soon as his new  Guru business opened the doors people flocked to sit and hear som Guru type speeches etc etc , he played the part well . He was overwhelmed with followers in a vety short time who wanted him to show them how to live , to be a giod person  etc etc .... They were kneeling at his feet begging for his advice . He called off the experiment when people wanted to give him all their money and possessions  and follow him . 

   Blind followers with a common almost  coherent  focus on something , anything to make themselves part of a Group . Some lonely mishiided souls who are lost .

Damn !! I have to get some sleep , back latet .

Eamon  🐻☘

Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:12 pm

Wow Henry,  These are a couple of conspiracy theories I had not heard of!  There are many that sound pretty crazy, but I have to say that the idea of JFK Jr. agreeing to be running mate to Donald Trump might just stretch the bounds of believability the most!!  In what world, real or imagined, would that happen?

There was a recent poll conducted here in Canada, where those who remain unvaccinated were asked under what circumstances would they agree to be vaccinated.  43% of them said that there were "no circumatances" under which they would agree to be vaccinated.  So, in effect, they were stating that even if they were given incontrovertible, irrefutable proof that the vaccines were safe and effective, were not part of a conspiracy, etc., they would still refuse to take it.  So, what does that tell you?

Darwin is doing a fist pump somewhere.

 

Terry

Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:23 pm

You got that right Terry  but most of those people would never subscribe to the FACT    of Evolution  ( not Theory ) . ...We're not Monkeys  they say !! . ..Turkeys voting for Christmas ..goggle ..gobble . The Stone Age people who rejected fire because it could possibly burn down their hut or even burn their fingers  declaring ... "  there has not been enough research into this evil Fire  thing that you like so much, going to eat my meat raw and throw on another Bear skin ... What about having light when the big bright thing goes away at night  ??  ...If the Gods wanted me to be wandering around at night they would have given us  night vision !!! (....or flashlights   but that would mean evil fake science lol " ) .  

   Darwin Rules  !! 

Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:31 am

Well if JFK did come back alive at least trump would have something in common which would be no brains cos most of JFK's was all over the pavement and car not to mention on the guerny. Sorry bit of my sick humour coming out. XX

Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:10 pm

Hi Caz ,  not JFK , JFK   Junior . He died in a small private plane crash around Martha's Vinyard , his wife and her Sister also died in the crash .   It was so Bizzare to see hindreds of people lining the streets at Dealy Plaza ( The Grassy Knoll  nearby )  waiting for  JFK,'s  dead Son  to emerge at the spot where JFK  ( The President)  was killed .  Even more bizzare is the idea that  these fantasist fanatics  were waiting for Trump and John John  come come down the street holding hands to usher in a  " New World Order " ( remember that one ?)  With the new Fascist  USA  taking the helm . 

  I ind it hilarious that people   will now admit publicly that they believe  this crazy shit ...."  Alien Lizard baby born with three heads ..." type of headline  . Through the Internet  you can find someone who agrees with any silly or downright insane belief . These people used to depend on Coast to Coast AM  Late Night Radio  to share their crazy beliefs and most would probably not share these beliefs in public or at the Christmas family dinner . They knew that there were fellow believers out there   but never actually met very many ...or any at all. Suddenly the Internet  can bring these people together ( Trump rallies  etc and Alien Conventions !! )  . Because there are a few thousand people wh gather in one venue to share their insanity  the  fantasy beliefs look a bit more real .  When the Mob is gathered around  what is deemed an enemy , worked up into a frenzy  with rocks in their hands  it only takes one rock thrower to  light the match that bliws the poderkeg .  Basically I think  the problem is  overestimating one's own importance in the whole scheme of things . On AM  Radio  (   the Wacky Right )  Billy Bob  ensconced in his ageing Mom's basement was a pretty lonely , pathetic   Lost Soul  who only had friends from midnight to 5 or 6 AM ( when the Normal radio shows commenced  )  . He probably slept through all the daily Normal AM  Preacher shows and the bits of real world news  .  The True Believers can gather in groups now an always overestimate their  numbers and the  veracity of their beliefs . 

    Like Ostomy people . I had never actually met another person with an Ostomy  before the Internet allowed us to communicate and share our stories and info ..  when you feel all alone in your misery  and pain , alone  with your Shitty Ostomy Bag  the world can seem pretty bleak and miserable .  Remember how you felt when you discovered that there are all these Ostomy people out there  , people you could write to or talk to and even meet up with . Being part of this subset of  humanity  has given you power and confidence you never had before   .   People are more willing to show their Ostomy in public and ralk about it in public  , to share our stories and not feel like a freak  who has to fly under the radar .  The off the wall conspiracy people  have the same newfound courage to share their " Alternative Facts "  with the world and this strengthens their resolve and their beliefs ..

Ok , enough of that .

Stay safe out there ...Covid is not gone yet !!  ☘💚

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