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Ostomy Memories of Zero Population Growth

Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:32 am
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IN THE LATE SIXTIES, I joined an organization called ZPG, which stood for Zero Population Growth. It was founded by biologist Paul Ehrlich who wrote the best seller ‘The Population Bomb.’ Since 2002, it is known as Population Connection. Simply put, if two adults have two children, they have replaced themselves and have not added to population growth. Way back in the late 18th Century, an economist named Thomas Malthus raised the specter of the world’s food supply, which increases arithmetically, being overcome by the population growth, which increases exponentially. Eventually, he wrote, the mushrooming population would suffer starvation and related catastrophes. It is estimated that world population when Malthus was alive was 1.1 billion people. When Ehrlich published his book in 1968, it was 3.5 billion. Today, it stands at 7.9 billion, a huge chunk of which is in China and India (1.5 billion each). Population of the USA is 334 million. Organizations that fight starvation around the globe say that world hunger is on the rise, affecting 10% of the population. It is reported that, from 2019 to 2020, the number of undernourished people grew by as many as 161 million, a crisis largely driven by conflict, climate change, and the COVID-19 pandemic. The USA, arguably the richest nation on earth, has over 38 million (11.8 %) living in households that struggled in 2020 against food insecurity, or lack of access to an affordable, nutritious diet, according to the Food Research Action Center, a whopping 9 % increase over 2019. So, what I’m doing here, if you haven’t guessed, is trying to guilt myself into dieting.

Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:40 pm

Hi Henry,  I admit that I didn't see that one coming.  My husband refuses to travel to some of the common tropical destinations, as many of them are countries where the vast majority of the population live in terrible conditions and struggle to put decent nutritious food on the table.  He says it's because he doesn't want to "rub their noses in it" by parading his relative wealth in front of them.  I think it has more to do with guilt, but either way, I admire and respect his decision not to go to these places.  It could be argued that you are contributing to the economy by supporting the tourism industry.  I guess that's the justification I've used when I've travelled with my girlfriends to some of these destinations.  It doesn't make me feel much better about it though.

Let us know if the "guilt" diet works for you! Good luck.

 

Terry

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Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:23 pm

Hi Henry et al    ,  I might be harping a bit on the history of " The Auld Sod " , Eire but  only when it is useful  or / and instructive . 

    The Ireland of the past ( until the 70s  ...80s )  contraception was banned , abortion was / is banned  and people were , generally dirt poor , especially in the countryside . Most of the population  depended on agriculture , before , during and after the     " Great Hunger "... in Gaelic " Gorta Mor"  , Not  called The  Famine  .  When the food supply is  used as a weapon  it is more like a Genocide  . 

Anyway ...Irish families were notoriously large . We had a neighbor who had at least  16  !!!  Pregnancies   but about Ten live births  and that was from the late 40s  to the 70s . We and they were not farmers  , we have 7 Boys and 3  Girls in my family . Women really had no way to prevent  the reality of being perpetually pregnant , except for the wonderfully effective " Rhythm Method"   , a method forced on families  by Men  who did not and never would have to feed  or provide for a family ....ever !!  In Ireland back then there was No Safety Net ....no welfare , no food assistance .....it was every man / woman and child for themselves . The country was in bad shape  as regards good nutrition  and health care . Possibly  as many babies died as were born alive .  This was the stare of affairs in  the towns  .

   In the country  it was much worse .  The families had to be large  to  be viable .  One or two Girls would work as Maids or "Skivvies "  at the ' Big House' , scrubbing floors etc etc . One or two ( If Mammy got her wishes ! ) would be a Priest or a Christian Brother ....every Mother' lifelong wish . The Girls might sneak some food home , the Priest was the ultimate source of help ( some of them ) . Every task on the farm was backbreaking manual labor  so the more  children the better  for planting and bringing in the crops , Donkey and cart was the transport .    When the Parents got too old or died the farm would be too small to  divide it into shares , just a few acres . This reality  demanded  emigration  for most of the family , to England or Scotland , Australia ir if lucky , the US .  Ireland had  probably about 5 or 6 million people before An Gorta Mor  and much less than 4 Million in the following years . . The Malthusian  population models  would predict disaster if the  people who left had stayed in Ireland . , without that Circuit Breaker  of Emigration . . Without the Land laws imposed by Britain  and  the  restrictions imposed by the Church  the country's  population might have been better managed but the fact is in a poor society  a family needs to be large to survive .....I Know  !! Catch 22 !!  Hopefully the kids woul produce more than they would consume !!?? 

    My take on the whole population problem is that as a country's population  prospers the fewer children will be born . If pregnancies can be planned instead of just  happening the population growth will be more practical .  In my street in Ireland  every family had a child or two  out as a " messenger boy "  on their basket equlpped three wheel bike .  Their small income kept the family going . I worked in the lical Pharmacy for a lovely lady ( all  the Boys had a few years in the same Pharmacy ) . I would dust and polish , wash the windows etc  until a customer required a delivery . Staying busy in the store was required  at ll times . Mrs Aldrich ,  the Matriarch   at the local Castle  was the important customer  who had this exaggerated tone of voice .....the noise I might make if I someone suddenly grabbed me by the balls and squeezed !!! Lol....never understood a word she said . 

    All my Nephews and Nieces have a  maximum of Four children , most of them  have two children , not Twelve  or more like the old days .   These  Nieces and Nephews look so much healthier  , so much more independent  and much more worldly . These kids do not have to Emigrate , they can pick and choose their path in life .  The other result of the lower birth rate is the  " Brain Drain " of the old days is no more !!  Their talents and ambitions can be fulfilled in Ireland and they can and do travel widely . 

    Prosperity is the  most important ally of population control  and  ZPG . Most  prospering families will have two or maybe three children at most . As the Third World and the Developing world share in the prosperity  of the developed world  the slowdown in population growth  will naturally follow .  This sharing of resources   is a very slow process  and the sooner it happens , the better for all of us , the rich, the poor and everyone in between . 

   Pie in the Sky , I know  but we can dream !!  It is in everyone's interest . 

   Putting money into vaccinating the entire world in the current disaster  is in the interest of the entire world . While anyone an  catch the Virus we are all vulnerable . When prosperity  is shared with  the less fortunate  the overall population should almost be self regulating  . All countries can benefit from the  retention of the best and brightest  sons and daughters  and their collective talent .  

   I'm certainly not the best tool in the Irish toolbox so I'm sure  my departure was not that much of a  loss  lol..🤡🤗.  The most satisfying thing I see in Ireland today is the fact that kids have a choice in deciding their future  . My generation  had no choice in the matter   emigrating was preordained  for very many of us . 

As the saying goes ,  "  A truely Rising Tide Raises All Boats "....even the  Dinghy with no engine and a fishing line looking for dinner . The Ronald Regan " Trickle Down "  is just him and his successors  pissing on your leg  and applauding themselves for the success of their  daylight robbery .

I did it again... another Novel  lol....

Peace and Love to all Baggers out there .  May the coming year be Medically  Uneventful .  ☘☘

Eamon .

Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:54 pm


Anonymous wrote:

Hi Henry et al    ,  I might be harping a bit on the history of " The Auld Sod " , Eire but  only when it is useful  or / and instructive . 

    The Ireland of the past ( until the 70s  ....

Hi Eamon,  I kept meaning to come back and read this post, was strapped for time when you first posted!  Thanks for the very real, albiet dark and depressing, look at Ireland's recent past.  I was exposed to a bit of this through my former mother in law (sort of, I lived with her son for five years) but her version of history seemed to be viewed through rose coloured glasses.  Your version seems much more believable.  She was one of many Irish who emigrated to Canada, specifically the province of Newfoundland on the east coast.  Newfoundlanders are known for being tough and resilient, but unfailingly friendly and welcoming, and have an accent that is unique as it still retains some remnants of Irish. They also know how to party! There is plenty of Guinness to be had, but "Newfies" adopted their own drink, called "Screech" which is actually rum.  The new immigrants survived and thrived on the cod fishery, until it collapsed.  The families were huge, my mother in law was one of eleven and her husband was one of fourteen.  Things have changed now of course, the economy is struggling as people try to find new ways to support their families, but always, there is that resiliency. It's a fantastic place to visit, very unlike any other part of Canada.  If you are lucky, you might get invited to a "kitchen party", where the singing of old Irish songs is still the order of the day. 

Terry


Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:10 pm


delgrl525 wrote:

Hi Eamon,  I kept meaning to come back and read this post, was strapped for time when you first posted!  Thanks for the very real, albiet dark and depressing, look at Ireland's recent past.  I w...

Kitchen parties are the best! 🎻🎶💃🕺


Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:43 pm

Hi  Guys ....ok,  ok   Ladies ...very special ladies of the site   ( al.ost wrote  Ladies of The Night ...😱😱😱   L ).

    Saw part of a great story aout the Kitchen Parties  !!   In South Africa  , in the Townships  the locals apparently have same  type of tradition . A person will set up a  rough and ready  Pub . The people can go and drink  and socialize . The thing about these " pop Up Pubs"  is they aee called  " Sheebeens " , they use that particular word . In Ireland the British outlawed Brewing  in Ireland , Whiskey  and Beer  because they wanted the booxe to be biught from England . . The locl small farmers would  use their Spuds  and some  Barley  to Brew Stout and  " Poteen"  (  putcheen ) . ....AKA  Lunatic Soip !!!   Lol .   Poteen is still made ( in a homemade Still ) .and bought if you know the right people   Must have been the Irish  Endentured Servants  who brought the Sheebeen  to South Africa  .  There were  lots of Irish  Soldiers of Fortune  in all the British Colonies .  

   The Newfies  also wear the colorful  Copeens ( colorful wool hats .)  I believe , similar to the Jamaican Wool hats  also very colorful . .  I was in Montserrat  a good few years ago  Guinness was the drink of choice ...and Run of course .   They have a St Patricks Day Festival . Many of the names are  old Irish names .   We sure did get around  !!  The video  Documentary  could have  been done in  Achill or  any of the West coast Island .  Tough as  nails !! 

   There were some very hard times in the West especially . The West was  ignored by the people of  " The Pale "    Dublin ,  they were                " Beyond the Pale "   so didn't  really count .   These days the Underdeveloped West Coast  is the main tourist  spot . And very much untouched  , Bogs , Mountains  and Lakes with a big population of very colorful sheep  roaming , free range  ,  the hills . Hey are spray painted  with strips of color to inentify them  for the farmers . 

Stay safe Y'all .....☘💚


Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:01 pm


Anonymous wrote:

Hi  Guys ....ok,  ok   Ladies ...very special ladies of the site   ( al.ost wrote  Ladies of The Night ...😱😱😱   L ).

    Saw part of a great story aout the Kitchen Parties  !!...

Good evening


Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:45 pm

WOW  !!   How about a Date  😜🤠  !!   Love the stockings  you don't look a day over 30 Ms Sunflower   ..LOL   ..  

    I hope she comes out in the  Daytime too  !!   ☘

When My Mom  lived in London   training as a hairdresser  there were only ladies in the house  , she was maybe 24  so she felt safe with the Girls .   My Mom got to know all the neighbors in the building . She mentioned how lovely the Girls were  and they used to chat about my Mom going  to Mass , they didn't .  They were always beautifully dressed and of course  a nice hairdo .

    She said that it  took a while to figure out that the Girls changed Boyfriends  very often , different one every time the met .  Finally she got it !!  My  Mom almost whispered  ................."  well wasn't I the eegit  ( Idiot )   ,  They were Ladies of the Night  , but they were so nice to me and encouraged me not to lose my faith and keep going to Mass .  They were very nice  and we became great friends . "  Women from Ireland were very  innocent and   until recently there was no sex education at all in Irish schools .

   That's the picture I got in my head when I mistyped  Night instead of  Site  .  I got a flash of the " Girls " having my Mom in for afternoon Tea  and Biscuits   !!  My Mom and Dad were very open minded  , live and let live was yhe rule they lived by . 

💚☘❤

Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:54 pm


Anonymous wrote:

Good evening

🤭 Sunflower showing her inner self. 🙇‍♂️ 😀 

Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:27 am


Anonymous wrote:

Hi Henry et al    ,  I might be harping a bit on the history of " The Auld Sod " , Eire but  only when it is useful  or / and instructive . 

    The Ireland of the past ( until the 70s  ....

Eamon:  I'm sure you've read "Angela's Ashes" by Frank McCourt.  If you haven't, you ought to, 'cause you just described it.   HenryM


Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:12 am


AlexT wrote:

🤭 Sunflower showing her inner self. 🙇‍♂️ 😀 

LOL


Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:25 am


HenryM wrote:

Eamon:  I'm sure you've read "Angela's Ashes" by Frank McCourt.  If you haven't, you ought to, 'cause you just described it.   HenryM

I loved that book! So sad though...


Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:50 pm


HenryM wrote:

Eamon:  I'm sure you've read "Angela's Ashes" by Frank McCourt.  If you haven't, you ought to, 'cause you just described it.   HenryM

Hi Henry , I sure have  . I was very young in the worst times . The book described Limerick , down near Shannon Airport  . Most  towns of the West Coast   were like that , the biggest export was people  providing cheap labor for  Britain and fresh settlers  for Australia and New York .  There was no   Safety Net  from the Govt  so families had to hustle creatively just to put food on the table .  One  common way to add a few Quid  ( Pounds ) to the kitty was to go to Scotland picking Spuds , called ... Tatie Hokin  ...by the Scottish . The conditions were horrendous . Whole families would go for the Seasonal Harvest . They lived in the Cow sheds on straw and a blanket , bag of straw for a pillow . Any belongings would be held close , shoes under the head or they would be stolen . Spuds for breakfast , lunch and dinner . 

    Thankfully my family never had to go on the Taties  but my older Brother was a bit of a wild boy so he sneaked  off with a local woman three times !!  He was a bit of an adventure hound !!  The third trip put an end to his travels after he was robbed and beaten .in the " Bothie"  (  cow shed ) .   I often talked to him about it and it was horrible  , he thought it would be better next time !!?   Our neighbor would bring the whole family !!   Coal was like gold  because it kept us warm and cooked our food  , much of it was really cheap coal full of dangerous impurities  which had to cause lots of Cancers .  We would get Turf      ( peat)  from a small  plot of Bog .  The process of cutting and drying was  tough and labor intensive  and families would help each other . 

   My Dad was very resourceful  , worked as a Butcher  (  lots of meat !! ) and became a top class stone mason , Brick , stone , tiles etc  so we  did better than many . My Mom had some  income as a hairdresser .  Her customers were people with money , the hotel owner , , Pharmacist  etc  so she did pretty well  . We were pretty lucky given  the general conditions . .  Most kids never even got to High School , right to work at 10  or  eleven .  Half of us got to high school and the others got apprenticeships . We have all done very well and  my Mom and Dad put us on the right road early on  .

    Rabbit often provided some extra protein but  the risk of getting arrested or  shot by the  sell outs who worked for the local " Big House"  as game wardens  was always present .  Their big vegetable plots provided many a dinner for poor families , the risk was worth it !! 

Eamon  ☘

    


Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:10 pm

PS...    There is a  classy Pub / restaurant  in The Marina District  in San Francisco   called Perry's  .  When we lived ( me and Brother )  in Pacific Heights  we were just up the hill ( mountain  !!! )  from Perry's . We would go there for their great hamburgers and fish n chips  .  It's a beautifully  built old style western  Pub with lots of  beautiful polished  Oak and Redwood  .    Who was the star Bartender ..Malachy McCourt  and sometimes  his Brother  Frank  would  join  Malachy behind the bar . Another Limerick  man     , had different memories of those hard days and  Frank wrote another book  " Tis "  after   Angela's Ashes  .  Gerard Hannan  wrote a counter to   Tis called   " Tis'  in Me Arse  " , he had the Rose Colored Glasses on apparently or lived in a better part of town  !? .

Eamon  ☘

Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:33 pm


Anonymous wrote:

Hi  Guys ....ok,  ok   Ladies ...very special ladies of the site   ( al.ost wrote  Ladies of The Night ...😱😱😱   L ).

    Saw part of a great story aout the Kitchen Parties  !!...

I think one of the reasons Newfoundland has retained its Irish flavour is the fact that it's so isolated, on its own island, and not easy to get to.  It's known as "The Rock", because basically that's all it is.  You have to be a hardy breed to live there.  Surrounded by the cold Atlantic, almost constant wind and brutally cold winters.  Newfies are known for their strange/hilarious place names, streets and towns.  My good friend, who worked in the social services field, was interviewing a client, who's paperwork indicated that she lived on "Pig Shit" road.  When my friend challenged her on this, her client asked her to look it up on the map, and there it was, Pig Shit Road.  I got a picture of "Spread Eagle Road" near where we were staying in St. John's.  We had to visit the small fishing village of "Dildo", and also drove through "Heart's Delight", Heart's Content" and "Heart's Desire".  These are just a few of the strange and wonderful names.  It seems that nearly everyone has some musical talent and it's on full display at the kitchen parties.  I was also amazed at how tolerant everyone is.  The friends we were staying with decided to have a kitchen party on a Tuesday night, in the middle of the summer.  The party spilled out onto the back deck and was LOUD.  I should mention that they had many close neighbours.  This party went on until well past 2:00 a.m., and not a peep or complaint from the neighbours (mind you, some of them were at the party).  Our hosts assured us that this was a perfectly normal thing to do and was completely tolerated by everyone.  Newfies are a rare breed!

Terry


Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:31 pm

Just saw a place called "Come by Chance "  lol 

back later. 

Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:38 pm


Anonymous wrote:

Just saw a place called "Come by Chance "  lol 

back later. 

Oh yes, I forgot to mention Come By Chance.  Are you sensing a theme here?  There isn't much else to do on those cold winter nights!!

Terry

Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:56 pm


delgrl525 wrote:

Oh yes, I forgot to mention Come By Chance.  Are you sensing a theme here?  There isn't much else to do on those cold winter nights!!

 

Terry

I don't mind the theme of that place at all. I might be leary of dating anyone from there. 😂 


Fri Jan 07, 2022 4:44 pm


AlexT wrote:

I don't mind the theme of that place at all. I might be leary of dating anyone from there. 😂 

🤦‍♀️


Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:41 pm

I think I know who gave it that name . Must have been from my County Mayo Eire...from a  very REAL  town called.... Drumroll... Cum ..!!    Kitty found that one and we almost fell over laughing !

Mayo also has a long cold and wet  winter....aometimes Summer too !!

Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:46 pm

I had to go back to the first post to remember what this thread was about. 😁


Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:48 pm


AlexT wrote:

I had to go back to the first post to remember what this thread was about. 😁

LOL


Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:49 pm


Anonymous wrote:

I think I know who gave it that name . Must have been from my County Mayo Eire...from a  very REAL  town called.... Drumroll... Cum ..!!    Kitty found that one and we almost fell over laughing...

LOL


Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:05 pm

We're  Boggy ground here you  naughty bunch , itS  a slippery slope , literally !!   LOL ..

E.

Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:10 pm


Anonymous wrote:

We're  Boggy ground here you  naughty bunch , itS  a slippery slope , literally !!   LOL ..

E.

Most things are slippery if there's any moisture involved. 😬


Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:11 pm


Anonymous wrote:

We're  Boggy ground here you  naughty bunch , itS  a slippery slope , literally !!   LOL ..

E.

LOL


Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:11 pm


AlexT wrote:

Most things are slippery if there's any moisture involved. 😬

LOL

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