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Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:21 pm
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Hi,
Many of you out there having mishaps through the night??  Sure spoils your waking up.  It doesn't encourage me to look for a relationship with this happening.  Sad

Janice
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Past Member
Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:51 pm
For me, the first line of defense against the nightly mishap(s) is to empty before bed, no matter how little. In the beginning, i also slept in sweatpants to help contain any potential mishap(s).

Also, i slept somewhat lightly and would empty during the night.
Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:16 pm
Absolutely - it is a huge nightmare for me and does happen on an all too frequent basis for my liking!

As I am on quite a stack load of medication, I either sleep the sleep of the zombie, or do not sleep at all - so on the nights where I am asleep (and fortunately I am in the sleep lots phase at the mo) I do not wake up at all in the night, so by the time morning comes, my pouch is blown up like a zeppelin, an accident waiting to happen really!  If it has already started to leak, it does generally wake me up eventually, but has usually soaked into everything by then ... pretty gross.  I always sleep on a towel (tried the disposable pads but they are much too crinkly and hot).  My duvet is too big to wash and I only have one ... so, you can imagine ... do what I can with wipes and anti-bacterial fabric cleaner, but it doesn't take all the stains out ..... I can't change the bedding on my own anyway without being in agony , so if I'm woken early, tend to sleep in my recliner once I've cleaned myself up.

My OH when he is with me seems not to be bothered by it, but I have to say I am ....
Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:40 pm
Frenchie,

I wish I had a dollar for each time that has happened to me over the years including twice in a hotel (hard to explain that one to the maid). I don't think there is much you can do to avoid it other than the usual such as making sure the flange and stomahesive are intact and your bag has been emptied prior to retiring. Also, rolling over on your side with the stoma while you are sleeping is also a major culprit. Other than these I don't know if there is much more i can offer. I am sure others will help too.

X_
Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:53 pm
it seems that night time leaks are the nature of the beast. However i find that flange extenders help especialy when it's full of air it seems to give some extra security, i also find that if i don't eat late at night i have almost cut out night time leaks but i always wake up through the night. good luck in your quest x
Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:16 pm
My biggest problems are at night as well.  My stoma is right on my waistline, and the waistband of whatever I'm wearing to sleep seems to always end up in the way of the stoma.  This leads to frequent pancaking.  Probably once or twice a week I wake to a wafer & flange that have been pried open by poo!  Fortunately its usually not that messy.  Just smelly.

I've tried lubricating the pouch by the stoma without much success, but I'll figure out something eventually.

Cheers
Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:26 pm
Thanks for all your replies, nice to know I'm not the only one.  Lately, I've stopped eating after 8 just in case.  I find some food double in bulk, I swear, like potato chips and fries.  LOL
Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:21 am
my idea to this nightime  problem is why not wear disposable underwear over the bag when you think you may have eaten too much or you are overly tired..at least if it does leak it will leak into this and yoy can just dispose of it..I do this every night now as I have not had the surgery yet. for me without the surgery it is a constant problem as when I sleep sometimes I feel nothing..now this is a real mess..I think I will be ok if it is a n ocassional leak compared to what is happening to me now..at least I hope so..
Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:35 am
That is very good advice but I don't think there are any that would fit me as I am a large person.  I guess I'll have to be careful as to what I eat at night.  I've had the bag for 12 years now and should be use to it.  Are there any out there who are dating and have mishaps?  How would you deal with it?
Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:47 am
Hi folks... you may think this is silly but here are two suggestions that might help.... the first is set an a wake up alarm for... say ... 3 pm.... your deep sleep period is likely near the end... but enough night left you will still get some rest....the second suggestion is get a cat that will be looking for someting to eat around the time you should clear the bag...My male cat got in the habit of making a visit around 3 - 3:30 am nightly and for me thats about the time the bag is plump with gas.
Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:49 am
Sorry ... that should read 3 AM
Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:30 am
Very good idea, Scotiaman.  I've thought of doing that.  Maybe, the nights that I eat more, I could do that and be safe.  Smile)
Past Member
Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:42 am
Friday night/Saturday morning is my dangerous time, because it's a " takeaway " evening , after the weekly shopping trip. I make a habit of sleeping on an old bathtowel, several thicknesses, - just in case of an accident, and my goodness did I have one at around 4a.m today.
Upon investigating, my toilet floor resembled a field where cows had "been",- picking my way through suitable areas to place my feet, and removing all nightwear, (freezing -4 last night), I gradually sorted myself out, then, somehow, awkwardly stubbed my toe against a small table used to keep my stoma equipment on, ( ready for action any time day or night), lost my balance with the pain,  and landed in "it"..and I tell you, very slippery it is too!
After all that, had to clean and disinfect everywhere, find different night clothes.. stoma pants hold the worst of any leakage, but the bag had half pushed itself off, and as soon as I started to think "I'm just out of bed for emptying" I soon had another think coming. No more sleep after that, cold and fed up. I always empty before bed and don't eat late, sleep lightly getting up at least twice during the night. Can't stop laughing about it now, what a sight it must have been.. and no, I won't give up my weekly treat, --so there  
Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:00 pm
My first nighttime mishap occurred several days after I came home from surgery. I woke up around 3 AM with a warm but unusual feeling on my legs. To my horror I discovered the seal had burst. It took about an hour and a half to get back to normal: showering, putting on a new flange and bag, changing the sheets, etc. For someone new with an ostomy, changing the bag when upset and groggy is difficult, time consuming, and frustrating. My wife, who is an RN, was very supportive and took my situation in stride.

Anyway, I finally got back to sleep but....woke up a little while later with an unusual feeling on my legs. It seems I forgot to put the clip on the bag. My wife couldn't stop laughing. That's when I remembered I married the right person (inspite of her progressive politics). I never felt sorry for myself after that.
Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:39 pm
the most mishaps that i have is when i am working my bag sits just under my belt, and i have to do alot of bending, and i work with the public so you can just see it i do my job and then all you see is the customer backing away, not very good LOL, but at night i sleep on my belly but i am a light sleeper and get up in the middle of the night to empty the bag but i also have had mishaps.
Past Member
Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:36 pm
Wouldn't the lubrication stop the flange from sticking?   Have you tried the gels that lubricate the pouch?  You squeeze the gel into the pouch (where you drain the poo from). When the pouch is stuck firmly on around the stoma, I 'sort of massage' the gel up to the stoma area and I can feel the stoma feels a little 'greasy'   .  Hope you can make sense of this.  It helps me .  I  hope it will help you too.
                   Best of luck tho'.


                                 
dsmithsc91 wrote:
My biggest problems are at night as well.  My stoma is right on my waistline, and the waistband of whatever I'm wearing to sleep seems to always end up in the way of the stoma.  This leads to frequent pancaking.  Probably once or twice a week I wake to a wafer & flange that have been pried open by poo!  Fortunately its usually not that messy.  Just smelly.

I've tried lubricating the pouch by the stoma without much success, but I'll figure out something eventually.

Cheers
Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:19 pm
Even though I have now been reversed I had my problems early on in my ostomy career (when I was a fledgling ostomy star) I also had problems with leakages at night which caused no end of grief. Coupled with an in-built awareness of the bag expanding (I am still not aware how) with the use of a far better product these problems were eliminated. I do not know how but after a period of time I would wake at night and find my bag about ready to detonate so it was not too late to salvage the situation.

The thing that I find intriguing is that I used to love to sleep on my stomach but after programming myself not to do so while I had an ostomy now I find myself very rarely doing so now and only when I awake from deep sleep in the mornings. And this still does not hold the same comfort and ease feel I used to have.

Ken.
Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:21 pm
Primeboy and Florie,
Well, I must say you gave me a big laugh, I could just picture it.  It was like me the other night, woke up to the bag almost completely off but managed to salvage just a bit on the bathroom floor but night clothes and hands not good.  The next day I was trying to figure out what was on the night switch for the bathroom and realized what it was after a bit.  thank God no one had come to visit that day.  lol
I'll never forget the first time I went for my pedicure, it wasn't long after I had the bag.  While she was doing my feet, I could feel this gurgling sounds in my stomach and could feel myself filling up.  What a complete mess I was in, with no change of clothes and 30 mins from home.  Thank God, she wasn't easily grossed out.  I still go to her 12 years later.  I stopped at my brothers on the way home and got him to bring me a towel to the car so I could manage the mess a bit.  

Skyblue, I can relate to that because there are times when I have a little pinhole opening at the top of the bag and the odor reeks.  I'm blessed that I don't live far from my work and I can go change when the time arises.

I can't think of being in a relationship because of all these mishaps but I have made peace with that and its ok.  

Its so nice to get this feedback,  thanks everyone.
Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:57 pm
Hi, what are flange extenders????

                                 
suzy1957 wrote:
it seems that night time leaks are the nature of the beast. However i find that flange extenders help especialy when it's full of air it seems to give some extra security, i also find that if i don't eat late at night i have almost cut out night time leaks but i always wake up through the night. good luck in your quest x
Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:38 pm
HI Frenchie,
I think God has put us in this situation for a purpose. I plan to have some words with Him down the road; but, in the meantime, I am absolutely certain He has given us ostomates like you and many others to enjoy His greatest gift: a few hours of consciousness. Enjoy the ride, forget the bumps.
Prime
Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:32 pm
I totally understand and can say I frequently experience the nighttime "accidents"  God Bless You all for what you are going through! I guess I was hoping and praying that I was the only person that this happened too. Thank You for discussing this issue because now I feel more of a normal person. I have found that eating very early in the day and not close to my bedtime, not drinking or eating anything with alot of sugar content and going to bed somewhat " destressed" helped decrease accidents.
                                                         Karen
Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:39 am
This worked for me and worked well.

No eating 3 hours before bed.  Learn how to swallow with out swallowing air.  The same goes for eating.

I went to an over sized bag.

Never eat fiber.

I was very nervous about laying in bed with another.  Once I got a handle on the football bag, life was better.

I also had an advantage some of you may not have.  I never and I mean never rolled onto my bag in my sleep.  I am active sleeper, I move around in my sleep to include some sleep walking.
Something in my subconscious told me not to roll over in bed?

The few times I have slept with another.  Before hand I explained what could happen with the appliance.  It would be a terribly embarrassing situation I would say.  However I also said not that unlike changing out a baby.  So to put things into real perspective.  Not a big deal!!!

Rick.....
Past Member
Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:38 am
                                 
Primeboy wrote:
HI Frenchie,
I think God has put us in this situation for a purpose. I plan to have some words with Him down the road; but, in the meantime, I am absolutely certain He has given us ostomates like you and many others to enjoy His greatest gift: a few hours of consciousness. Enjoy the ride, forget the bumps.
Prime


well said prime.
Past Member
Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:41 am
                                 
Frenchie55 wrote:
Hi, what are flange extenders????



http://www.greatmedicalsupplies.com/supply~HYDROFRAME-FLEXIBLE-HYDROCOLLOID-STRIPS-WAFH33~HYDROFRAME-FLEXIBLE-HYDROCOLLOID-STRIPS-WAFH33.htm

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Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:24 am
Thanks  

                                 
mild_mannered_super_hero wrote:


http://www.greatmedicalsupplies.com/supply~HYDROFRAME-FLEXIBLE-HYDROCOLLOID-STRIPS-WAFH33~HYDROFRAME-FLEXIBLE-HYDROCOLLOID-STRIPS-WAFH33.htm

perhaps these....
Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:35 am
That is so true, Primeboy.  I didn't go on this site very much but I will from now on.  I guess living in an area where colostomies are not plentiful, you don't really have many people who can relate to what you're going through, having not gone through it themselves.  Its hard to tell someone you woke up in poo and what a mess you were in.  They can sympathize but that's about it.
I, too, plan on having a little chat with Him when the time comes.  LOL

                                 
Primeboy wrote:
HI Frenchie,
I think God has put us in this situation for a purpose. I plan to have some words with Him down the road; but, in the meantime, I am absolutely certain He has given us ostomates like you and many others to enjoy His greatest gift: a few hours of consciousness. Enjoy the ride, forget the bumps.
Prime
Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:39 am
Scotiaman, you would've laughed at seeing me this morning at 3:30 trying to figure out why I had put the alarm clock on but all was good.   LOL
Past Member
Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:35 am
Oh, Florrie, I loved your story even though I felt your pain.  The only times I ever feel like crying for myself over this bag is when it brings me to overwhelming situations such as the night you described.  Sleep is VERY precious to me and bathroom scrubbing is not.  Thus the dilemma of 3am catastrophes and the fact that they damn near force me to tears.

Prime: Your wife is a saint!  More stories about that woman and she will soon become a legend in her own time in the ostomy community.  We should all be so lucky to find a spouse such as that.  But I figure you've done your share of earning that love and care.
Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:22 pm
I decided after a few of night accidents in my early days (ileo Dec '09) to just set the alarm. Yes, it disrupts my sleep and sometimes I end up reading for an hour or so before I can fall back asleep ... but no accidents ! Just knowing that I will most probably NOT have any accidents during the night makes the sleep I do get much better.

Usual routine is go to sleep about 11:30. Alarm rings about 2:45 for empty. Then the next alarm is my hubby about 6:15 when he gets up for work. Sometimes I stay up, but usually I read a bit and then snooze till 8:30 - 9 a.m.

What amazes me are the times when I wake during the night (without the alarm) ... I reach down and see my bag is pretty full. Is it the pressure against my skin that now triggers the 'wake' response?

Anywho ... for those who really are upset about the night messes (and the potential for them) I suggest the alarm.

All the best,
Beatrice
Past Member
Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:38 pm
Hi Frenchie, I find that when I eat marshmallows this helps tremendously. Try a few before going to bed and yes, alarm clocks help but if you sleep with someone, they can be upsetting to your partner. My husband falls right back to sleep but I have set up my guest room so that I have everything prepared. I have had my colostomy since 1990's but since my last surgery, it seems that my loose stools sometimes get the better of me. I am just seeing which foods I can tolerate that are different from before this past surgery. Keep a diary. It is helpful. Also someone mentioned a convetec appliance. See that your Ostomy nurse can set you up with a recast of your stoma so that you get a proper fit and see if you can also have a filter put into your appliance. I am unable to have that since my stools are so loose. Hope this helps.
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