Need Recommendations for Alternative 1-Piece Drainable Bags with Sturdy Plastic Clip

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RossNC
Apr 18, 2020 3:50 am

Hi, the problem that brings me here is a repeated defect with my one-piece Convatec pouches. I've been through about 5 boxes (50 pouches), maybe more. I feel like I was having issues last summer, too, so I've probably been putting up with this for a while, and today I decided I was DONE with them.

The pouches otherwise wear great, I get long life out of them, usually at least a week, which is why I have stuck with them. HOWEVER, there's a good chance each new pouch will have tiny, undetectable (until they leak) defects where the bag is glued to the top of the wafer. Tiny, tiny leaks that are not a big deal, I wrap some TP around it, and it's not very messy. Doesn't get to my skin or affect the seal. Just makes me smell sometimes and annoys the fire out of me. Weighed against the pain (and expense) of changing out my (usually brand new) pouch, I just put up with it.

I've called my supplier (Edgepark) and I've spoken with Convatec folks. Everyone is always very nice, they send replacement boxes. Those leak the same way. I've gone through it repeatedly. I give up. They have a product that I want to love, but I can't.

So I went to the Edgepark website to see options... Thousands. And not a good search filter system. Ugh.

Anyone have a recommendation for a 1-piece drainable, not Convatec, that has a sturdy plastic clip to close and is comparable to the Active Life (I think that's what it's called). I can't with those bags that have a closing device built in. I only feel secure with a big separate clip.

When I call to talk to the folks at Edgepark, they're nice, but they are just there to take orders. They can look up specific models all day, but not something vague like my request that requires actual hands-on knowledge. ANY AND ALL HELP MUCH APPRECIATED, THANKS!

Past Member
Apr 18, 2020 4:47 am
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Hi Ross,

This is very much trial and error unfortunately. I've been using Hollister products and finally found one that's been working for me. I tried Convatec samples, for me I felt it didn't work out. If the style you're using works (stays on etc.) then try to find one similar. I would go online and try some free samples. Ask for a free catalog online (even from Edgepark).

I'm sure you'll get other helpful support asking you questions. Good luck, this is a resourceful group here...mountain.

Posted by: iMacG5

About seven years ago, just about every aspect of my life was ostomy related. From the moment I was told an ostomy might be needed until some months down the road I existed as a person afflicted with a colostomy. I feared someone other than my immediate family might find out I had a bag. Ugh! What could be worse? Suppose it filled real fast when I was out with no place to hide and take care of myself. God forbid should it leak in church! Suppose I roll over on it in bed. I was a lesser creature, destined to a life of emotional anguish and physical routines different from most of the rest of the world. I felt like a freak. Then I found folks like you guys here, read your stuff, really “listened” to what you had to say and I began looking at things differently. We know perception is everything and I began to understand how good things were relative to what they could’ve been. So many folks had it so much worse than I did. That didn’t make my discomfort go away but it exposed how fortunate I was to be dealing with my stuff and not their’s. I felt a little guilt, maybe selfishness but quickly forgave myself by understanding I just wasn’t smart enough to fix my feelings. Then, I wonder what smarts have to do with feelings. My perception was warped so my perspective toward my existence was warped.
I learned over the last few years with the help of lots of folks right here at MAO that I could be better at living just by accepting some facts. It is what it is and so what? It’s not the worst thing to happen to a person.
I think everything is, in some way, related to everything else. I just put the ostomy thing in the back seat and drive forward.
Respectfully,
Mike

Maried
Apr 18, 2020 5:10 am

Where are the leaks in the bag? At what point do the leaks happen during your wear time? 7 days wear is a long time... Could it be they are wearing down? Or a zipper or pet claws making the holes.

I use Coloplast 15821... No filter. Nice bag.

newyorktorque
Apr 18, 2020 5:38 am
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Hi RossNC

It definitely sounds like you got a bunch of defective bags. Make sure your supplier or Hollister replaces them. Also, there have been many discussions lately about Hollister and how they manufacture their bags. Apparently, they are making their bags thinner now and many have complained. I am also a 'one piecer' and wear Coloplast.

Maried
Apr 18, 2020 5:52 am
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I also want to say, I very rarely get defects in these bags, but I did notice you do not like the clip attached and it does... The pros are you never lose your clip. The negative is if it is not tightly rolled, the bottom leaks from the clip area... I have not found the perfect bag! Maybe one day...

 

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lovely
Apr 18, 2020 8:36 am
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Hi RossNC, I don't use the one piece but you can look up One Piece online and contact the different suppliers, and they will send you samples to try. Good luck

RossNC
Apr 18, 2020 3:20 pm

The leaks are along the seam where the bag is glued to the top of the wafer. It's not a wear issue, the leaks appear within hours of putting on a new pouch. Doesn't matter if I've been sitting at my desk, lying in bed, or driving my car. (I don't do a ton of vigorous exercise, those are the usual options.) There's no pet, and no possibility it is a zipper. Nothing comes in contact with this area. It's a manufacturing defect, a known one, because I've complained enough times at this point. :(

NJ Bain
Apr 18, 2020 3:53 pm
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Ross,

I had this problem about 5 years ago with Convatec with my 1-piece drainable pouches. I had/have been using their product since '95 with no issues. As NewYorktorque said, the manufacturers are making the pouches thinner, trying to save a buck. It's all about quality control.

I had emailed Convatec with a very well-written letter and they called me 30 minutes later. They sent me several samples and the next few boxes of pouches all had the same issue. It seems the weld of the actual pouch to the wafer was weak. And waste would seep through those weak points. Just enough to make a small mess or smell as you described. Convatec even sent me a biohazard box to send them the used leaky pouches so they could "inspect" them. Their findings were "inconclusive." Shocker. But obviously, the person I talked to knew there are occasionally issues with quality control, less material, etc, etc. And they asked for the batch number of the pouches so they could find out when and where they were made.

I kept hounding them until they fixed the problem. Now, I inspect the welds on all my pouches and if there is the slightest issue like the weld not being centered, I call Convatec up and complain. It might seem petty to them, but I don't like having leaks and smelling.

Keep calling them and give them hell, in a nice way if possible... lol I'm stubborn so I haven't changed products. But as everyone above is saying, call the different manufacturers and ask for free samples by saying you're thinking about changing brands. They will be happy to send you some. Hang in there.

Bain

Maried
Apr 18, 2020 4:02 pm
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So sorry you are going through this. We depend on our bags and they are expensive!

looking forward
Apr 18, 2020 6:02 pm
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I have always used the two-piece from Liberator. It gets me at least a week, and I drink carbonated beverages.

Maried
Apr 18, 2020 6:29 pm
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This is the Coloplast I used to wear. It does not have a clip attached to the bag. Coloplast Assure 12660 - no filter standard wear - cut to fit -
1-888-726-7872 Coloplast for samples

RossNC
Apr 20, 2020 3:58 am

Thanks, everyone, for your replies. Much appreciated!

newyorktorque
Apr 20, 2020 4:49 am
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Considering how much we pay for a zip lock bag crazy glued to your abdomen, we have the right to be the squeaky wheel!

Maried
Apr 21, 2020 2:58 am

You are funny!