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Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:39 am
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Good morning my fellow ostomates 😊

I know socializing in our society/culture is all about food... we meet for coffee, we go out to lunch, we go out to dinner, etc. But as a new ostomate I'm uncomfortable doing that with new people (coffee is ok I guess). So when someone asks me to lunch or dinner, how can I say politely that I don't want to and what can I suggest as an alternative event? And I don't want to reveal I have an ostomy right away (I don't want to talk about how we poop as the opening conversation. LOL) 🌻

Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:05 am

My Papa (not my father very long story) loves to bring up my ostomy at every family gathering and right before we eat or while eating loves to tell a story about a friend of his years ago that burped his appliance in a car full of people making the driver vomit. The ostomate was told it was ok to do this by the driver as she didn’t want to stop, well, once burped it made that very same driver vomit, forcing the stop anyways.

Not exactly dinner conversation and I’ve asked that he stop telling it as when the story is over everyone looks at me. I’ve asked again that he stop this story telling as we have all heard it numerous times now, then the next function arrives and Papa tells his story…

Now I leave the room, it’s family I’m stuck with him and am lucky for that, I just wish he would stop telling that same damn story and putting the focus on me. 

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Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:20 am

SallyK, I'm having trouble understanding your predicament.  Why does the fact that you have an ostomy have to play a role in socializing?  Nobody knows and nobody needs to know.  If you have to empty (with me, typically toward the end of a dinner out), just excuse yourself and go to the bathroom.  It's no one's business and, if they are so close to me that they already know, then they won't think anything of it.

Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:28 am


HenryM wrote:

SallyK, I'm having trouble understanding your predicament.  Why does the fact that you have an ostomy have to play a role in socializing?  Nobody knows and nobody needs to know.  If you have to ...

Sorry I wasn't clear. I do not want to go out to lunch/dinner with someone I am just getting to know. My anxiety gets very high just thinking about doing something like that, so my ostomy can be unpredictable (an example would be my output becomes liquid and my pouch fills up very fast) when this happens. I would rather do something else.... maybe something outside or a more noisy environment?  But how do I say this to someone without revealing I have an unpredictable ostomy? 🤷‍♀️



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Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:45 am

How about “hey, I am currently trying a special diet” can we do something else ?  

okay, by now you should be getting use to my bizarre sense of humor and the fact that I wanted to add to this statement something about going to the beach so I can wear my newest “butt thong/floss bikini  - - sorry - if it’s in my head it comes outta my iPad keyboard !  
Keep smilin’ jb



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Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:53 am


Justbreathe wrote:

How about “hey, I am currently trying a special diet” can we do something else ?  

okay, by now you should be getting use to my bizarre sense of humor and the fact that I wanted to add to this ...

Love your sense of humor! A special diet...good idea. And it's true because I do have a limited diet right now. Thanks! ❤️

Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:14 am

This is very simple. You pick the activity you wanna do with that person(s). They say how about dinner. You say let’s meet after dinner for _____.  That way, they know you don’t want to eat, you want to do whatever it is you choose. Of course, I’m with Henry on this, going to the bathroom happens for anyone, bag or no bag so I don’t get why anyone gets all worked up over it. And saying to someone, gotta poop might be an icebreaker. Or, you go eat and you “fart”, just make sure you sit next to other people. That way, you can lean over to your date and say…did you just hear them fart in public.” 🤭😁

I’ve recently become very ok with my bag, I don’t care who knows I have it. I got into a tanning competition(yes, you read that right) with a certain person and I’ll be damned if I’m gonna lose. So, when I take Cooper to the lake or when I mow, off comes my shirt so I can soak up the sun. I wear a Stealth Belt while at the lake but I’m sure it’s very obvious as to what I’m covering up. Nobody has jumped out of the way or said “OMG, he poops from that”. Actually, I’m more worried about being an old fat dude with no shirt on than I am about people knowing I have an ostomy. So, stop worrying about something that you have no choice about having and that is actually just something humans must do in order to live. Eventually, you’re gonna eat with that person(s), get it out of the way and be done with the anxiety that you’re just bringing on yourself. 

Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:24 am


SallyK wrote:

Sorry I wasn't clear. I do not want to go out to lunch/dinner with someone I am just getting to know. My anxiety gets very high just thinking about doing something like that, so my ostomy can be un...

I don’t get the “unpredictable ostomy”. I’m guessing that you, like most ostomates, eat basically the same thing every day. So, how is it unpredictable? I have the worst eating habits and except for breakfast, I eat different things all the time at all different times of the day or night. I really pay no attention to what/when I eat and mine very rarely ever “acts” up to what I’d consider unpredictable. 🤷‍♂️ 

Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:05 pm


AlexT wrote:

I don’t get the “unpredictable ostomy”. I’m guessing that you, like most ostomates, eat basically the same thing every day. So, how is it unpredictable? I have the worst eating habits and e...

When I am nervous my output becomes liquid and my pouch fills up very fast. This can happen a couple of times in a row.

Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:05 pm


AlexT wrote:

This is very simple. You pick the activity you wanna do with that person(s). They say how about dinner. You say let’s meet after dinner for _____.  That way, they know you don’t want to eat, y...

I wish I could wave a magic wand and my anxiety around my ostomy would disappear.

Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:38 pm


SallyK wrote:

I wish I could wave a magic wand and my anxiety around my ostomy would disappear.

Throw some pixie dust on it and then wave the wand. 👀👍

Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:57 pm

Hi Sally,  Anxiety is a very real thing and should not be minimized.  I think the idea of saying you are on a diet that makes it difficult to out, makes sense.  It's not lying either!  As you get more used to being out and about with your ostomy, hopefully your anxiety will ease, but you can't just wish it away.  I also know what it's like to have your pouch fill up really quickly.  When I had my colostomy and I had to take boatloads of laxative to make things move, my output would turn to liquid and my pouch could fill in about 30 seconds.  It was scary and you wouldn't want to be out in public anywhere!  I do find that now I am getting more comfortable telling people I have an ostomy, but that is a very individual thing and may or may not come with time.  Be kind to yourself, and don't add any unnecessary pressure.  I'm sure eating out will become something you can enjoy again, when you are ready.

Terry

Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:12 pm


delgrl525 wrote:

Hi Sally,  Anxiety is a very real thing and should not be minimized.  I think the idea of saying you are on a diet that makes it difficult to out, makes sense.  It's not lying either!  As you g...

Thanks Terry ❤️

Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:34 pm

I’m not really into going out for dinner, even before getting an osteomy.   I’d rather go miniature golfing, bowling, shooting pool, zoo, hiking, gun range, paint balling (lol)…. So many other options.  And more engaging.  

Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:35 pm


Gemini16 wrote:

I’m not really into going out for dinner, even before getting an osteomy.   I’d rather go miniature golfing, bowling, shooting pool, zoo, hiking, gun range, paint balling (lol)…. So many oth...

Thanks! All great ideas. 👍 

Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:56 am

Hello SallyK.

Thanks for this post and thanks to everyone who have replied with some great ideas. 

I have never been shy about declining invitations to attend socialising events and have found that over time  people tend to stop asking me.

However, I still seem to meet a lot of people in different settings without the incumbency of having to sit down in a prearranged place to do so.  All those who know me also know that I only drink plain water, so being invited for a ‘drink’ is a bit of a waste of time. Sometimes, my response to invitations is to counter it with an invitation to them to join me in one of my (volunteering) activities. This has often worked very well with those who are so inclined. 

Some invitations come regularly,  usually annually, but when I was working, it was on everyone’s birthday. This was always too much for me so I did my usual thing and compiled a rhyme as a response.

Also, I used to run a (therapeutic) conversational session twice a week, to which anyone could be invited, so I would counter most personal invitations with my own invitation for people to attend these sessions.

Those who did come were not disappointed with the conversational interaction  and over time attendance remained healthy. 

I am a firm believer in doing ‘your-thing’ as I have written in the very last line of the rhyme; “No can do!”

Best wishes

Bill     

NO CAN DO!

Sorry I can’t make your do,

but this is not to do with you.

I find as I grow old you see

I can’t be like I used to be. 

I cannot socialise so well

and that’s it – in a nutshell.

My taste has gone, my hearing too,

rarely now do I argue.

It gets too hard in company

not to create disharmony.

I used to love to play the game

when humour was my middle name. 

But as the pain of life moves on

I find my humour’s almost gone.

All that mischievous tyranny

has melted into irony. 

I cannot always find a way

to make sense of all I say,

and if I can’t do this for me

I don’t want other’s there to see. 

Oh! to be different I may wish –

like you are water and I’m the fish.

I’ve given up on all these do’s

and only  stay where I can’t lose.

If I came I’d feel a Walley

sharing all this melancholy.

So –forgive me if I don’t arrive,

I’m sure that you will all survive.

My best wishes to everyone

and do your thing –‘till your thing’s done. 

                                                                B. Withers 1996

                                                        (In: Reflections 1998)

Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:09 am


SallyK wrote:

Thanks! All great ideas. 👍 

Please post pics of you paint balling. 

Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:11 am


delgrl525 wrote:

Hi Sally,  Anxiety is a very real thing and should not be minimized.  I think the idea of saying you are on a diet that makes it difficult to out, makes sense.  It's not lying either!  As you g...

Great post and thanks for writing it!   It opened my eyes to the differences we all experience!  Colostomy vs Ileostomy for one.  Cannot even begin to imagine output filling a bag so rapidly - and yes, this would be a concern when it comes to an evening out.  It certainly helped me to understand SallyK’s angst.  It takes time to figure out what our new normal might be.  I am almost two years with an ileostomy and still have revelations, from time to time,  regarding my life with Seymour (my stoma).  JB

Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:06 pm

it seems the issue is nutrition.  A good exercise is to write down all the foods you like and take notes hourly of what happens when you ingest any food, minute to minute, play by play. I know what to eat with friends that know and with dates that do not know; I know what makes sounds, and I can call the time I will need to use the restroom if at all; I'm a picky eater.

I eat only fruits now, and lean meats and cheeses, very little processed foods. But, love to go out to dinner, and it's never an issue, at all. Also, there are so many other things to do such as bowling, dart shotting, or pool, pin ball machines, and mini-golf, or a walk bare-foot on the coast or a park. You can get a good buzz and jump in the lake; need to have the mind of a marine for these conditions, always ready for everything to the point you know what you are going to need at each moment and how to react to any possible scenario, and predict. Dress for it, as I said, I can literally jump in the water at the beach and my date would not know. I could go jump in with a t-shirt on and she still would not know. Answer: you just dress for it. I'm slim with a flat stomach which helps to stay annonymous. Limitations are all in our minds, and reflect on our actions. My best advice is to stop caring what anyone says or thinks. I could have a leak in the middle of a restaurant and would be ok. I just don't care, why should I? I also have the perfect appliance for dates and swimming, etc.

I have had margaritas, nachos, and other delicious foods; I just know what each food does and when, to the minute, exceedingly well, that is the key. I just know exactly what is going to happen and only eat what is right for the moment. Pick your foods for battle. Learn to fast, specially for part of the day if you want to become intimate with someone; there so many strategies you can have but it all starts with knowledge, which will give you enormous confidence, if you add some grit and determination to it, you will have the time of your life.

Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:57 pm


SallyK wrote:

Sorry I wasn't clear. I do not want to go out to lunch/dinner with someone I am just getting to know. My anxiety gets very high just thinking about doing something like that, so my ostomy can be un...

I know exactly how you feel!! My ostomy is very busy and i no longer do as much as i use to. I only eat out at places that have music or outdoor seating. To expĺain my issues to others would be embarrasing. I just found this site yesterday and i am glad i did.  Its nice to know i am not alone in my struggles.

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