Trying new bag w some anxiety

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Audrey Warren

My surgery to create a colostomy was two years this November 8. Until now I have been using a Coloplast convex transparent bag because I like to rinse it and make sure all 💩 is gone. I just recently went from a one inch to a 1 1/8. I've lost 13 of 15 lbs gained at beginning of pandemic. For some reason my stoma became a tad larger and my precut  25 was too tight. When I  talked w Coloplast rep he said they don't make pre-cut 28's so I ordered one box opaque. A second reason I like the transparent is I can see that I've got the stoma w an Eakin ring attached to the pouch placed correctly. 
Will I be able to do this with opaque pouch? I don't think I'll be able to get it as clean but I can live w that.

Today when I changed bag and was prepping for new one, paper towels, adhesive remover and barrier wipes were bloody--- not horrible, but more than usual. 

Answers, suggestions welcome.

 

Beachboy

Hello,

I have a colostomy, 9 months post op.    I use Hollister 2 piece system.  My stoma has changed shape quite a bit,  oblong and large.  Also have a peristomal Hernia and some prolapse.  As a result, my stoma sticks out quite a bit.  I've never had any leaks or trouble with wafer adhesion.  I change bags 2 times a week and the wafer every Sunday.  I use spray adhesive remover and remover wipes to carefully take off the wafer.  I cut the wafer to have about 1/8 inch clearance all around my stoma. 

With colostomy, you don't have to fit the wafer real close to the stoma.  Output is usually thicker and not as irritating to the skin.  When I used to cut the wafer for a real close fit, my stoma would sting most of the day.

A stoma will bleed easily when poked  or irritated.  If you're seeing blood when changing your wafer, your stoma is getting pinched or rubbed.  

If this problem persists, see a Stoma nurse.  Also, all Ostomy supply companies have Stoma nurses you can call for consultation.

 

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Bill

Hello Audrey.
If it is that your wafer is touching your stoma, then this will be causing the bleeding.  I had this recently when my stoma prolapsed and expanded so much that the wafer cut a nasty swathe half way round the stoma, causing it to bleed profusely. Of course, there is no predicting these sorts of incidents, so I felt the best course of action would be to accept what was going on and put preventative measures in place. 
I have now added SALTS HEALTHCARE Ltd DERMACOL stoma collars (to my list of equipment and this has done the trick for me. It is advised that they need to be ordered at the correct size for the stoma. However, I figured that if my stoma was going to suddenly, and without warning, expand dramatically, then wearing a collar that fitted snugly was going to end up 'strangling' the thing when it expanded.  Hence, I ordered a size bigger than needed and this has been just fine. What I have also tried is to 'pad' it round with some toilet tissue, which has been very effective in preventing the output from backing up towards the surrounding skin. This is made possible because of the DIY device that I have made to keep it all in place.
I do hope that you are able to resolve your own problems in the near future.

Best wishes

Bill

eefyjig

Audrey, Coloplast makes a bag called the Sensura Mio that is opaque but has an inspection window, where you can lift up a piece of the fabric to ensure the opening is snug around your stoma. Maybe it comes in a pre-cut?

Beth22

Hi Audrey,

I use clear bags too, I like to rinse mine as well and keep it clean 😁. If the covered ones don't work for you you can always just get a cute bag cover for your clear ones. 

 
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Ben38

You have lots of experience behind you now of changing bags you  can handle it!

Like all of us you have your own way and routine of changing, change isn't always a bad thing.

I don't use Eakin I use another Ring I don't attach it to my bag I put it straight on my skin around my stoma.

Sometimes stoma's bleed more than other times unless it excessive amounts of blood I wouldn't worry or you might just of been a bit more heavy handed cleaning it than usual but if your concerned seek medical advice. 

Stoma's can change shape and size at any time the longer you've had one the more chance of it getting bigger it's recommended that we measure our stoma's once a month.....I should take my own advice I often forget to measure mine lol.    

AlexT

Rinsing your bag out will clean it, not sure why you wanna/need to see it. 🤷‍♂️ I get being able to see applying your equipment but after a person gets used to it, it shouldn’t be that difficult to get it placed correctly, especially with a barrier ring as it’ll fill in if needed. 

Audrey Warren
Reply to eefyjig

It does come in the size I want. I just got some free supplies. Thank you.

Audrey Warren
Reply to Ben38

Do you use coloplast? I like their barrier strips. What kind of ring do you use? 
Thank you.

Audrey Warren
Reply to Beachboy

Thank you . I appreciate it.

AW


 

Audrey Warren
Reply to AlexT

I have a colostomy and IBS. Sometimes it takes me two hours to empty completely

and I rinse after each empty to try and keep filter from being clogged. I'm OCD about keeping it rinsed. Once I'm done there is no activity until next morning and coffee stimulates it.

Axl

Hello Audrey

Many bags have a "slit" for viewing or if you find you like a bag that is covered you can always slit the cover to suit yourself.

AlexT
Reply to Audrey Warren

I rinse after each empty too. Unless you are super careful and you get no output near your filter, sloshing the water around in the bag to get everything loosened up to empty will clog your filter after a couple of times. 

Beachboy

I'm lazy.... bag lookin' "messy"....  I pop it off and put on a new one.  Of course I still have excellent company provided medical insurance.  Once I'm on Medicare... my lazy ways will come to a close.

Audrey Warren
Reply to Axl

A very practical approach and one I will try.

Thank you.

infinitycastle52777

I don't know what to say about bags. I didn't like the opaque bags, I want to be able to see what is going on in there. My ostomy nurse told me a stoma is very vascular and sensitive and will bleed easy. Try to be gentle with it when you are cleaning it off. And make sure you aren't cutting your wafer too tight or with jagged edges. The clear bags will tell you if you aren't cutting your bag big enough because if your stoma is turning purple or dark red then you are strangling it.

Lee 

Beth22
Reply to AlexT

 clear bags.. why not if that's what wants to be worn . Could say the same about wearing a bag side ways, wearing a bag with a peak a boo window or wearing a certain brand. It's all a personal choice and we all wear what we wear for us and our own reasons. 

AlexT
Reply to Beth22

I could care less about what someone chooses to wear. I was just saying a person doesn’t need a clear bag to see it’s cleaned out after rinsing. For me, I really don’t want to show others the output in the bag if I go outside with no shirt on or the bottom of my bag hangs below my shirt line. 

GraceFalls
Reply to Audrey Warren

Yup. Only ostomy here and a newbie. 
My ostomy nurse recommended an opaque bag for me since I seemed to be a bit obsessed over watching things. 
I use the sensi miro? Curved with a barrier ring. No  stoma paste. Hate that stuff. 
Normally morning coffee gets things moving. After that, not until the next morning. 
I rinse the bag when I feel everything has made its way down. Always use a lubricant. 
Usually rinse and reapply before bed. 
So far, good but there are bad days. As in do not eat copious quantities of fried homegrown okra! 

Beachboy

When my bag bottom peaks out from end of my shirt .... my wife goes bonkers.  She points at it and says "hey, hey, HEY!" 

Don't tell her..  Sometimes I do it on purpose.   Who said Ostomy's weren't fun.

Beth22
Reply to AlexT

I think most people wear clear bags to keep an eye on the stoma. That's why I wear clear bags. I have had so many issues with my stomas .. on number six . They each have all done weird wonky things and retracted .  I have swung to the left, swung to the right , this one has literally flipped all the way back ,moves in a helicopter motion , turned pale ass pink , turned purple ..etc lol. But for others not to see that's what you get a bag cover for or wear a belt when going out. I don't others to see the contents inside the bag either 

AlexT
Reply to Beth22

I understand when people have issues with their stoma or are new and need to measure/check their output. But to wanna see it months/years after getting an ostomy, I do not understand. Bag covers are worthless unless custom made for your exact setup and not everyone wants to wear a belt/wrap. 

Axl

I'm with Alex, not a fan of the clear version, but I do have a inspection slot in the beige finish should I get the urge to have a peek.

AlexT
Reply to Axl

Yep, my bags have that too. 

eefyjig
Reply to AlexT

Mine do, too. It's the best of both worlds - your output is hidden but you can make sure your bag opening is evenly around your stoma and you can check your output if you need to.

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