This topic is about a change in the material used for Hollister 18104 one-piece drainable pouches. The company has switched from a semi-transparent, thicker plastic to a thinner, fully-transparent film. This change has sparked a lot of discussion among users, who are sharing their experiences and concerns. Here are some key points and advice from the conversation:

- The new film is much thinner and completely clear, which makes the contents visible and feels less durable. Users are worried about potential tears and the lack of prior notice from Hollister about this change.

- Some users suspect the change might be to encourage more frequent bag changes. The topic originator plans to contact Hollister for more information and has temporarily stocked up on the older version to evaluate the new ones.

- After using the new pouch for a day, the originator noted that the crinkling noise disappears once the pouch is filled, but the plastic still feels flimsy, and the closure clip is less secure. The extreme clarity of the film is also a concern, and while there were no leaks, confidence in the product is lower.

- A photo comparison of three Hollister bags was shared: the new fully clear 18104, the former semi-clear 18104, and a fully opaque beige pouch. Hollister has kept the old catalogue number for the new clear pouch and assigned a new number to the former model.

- Many users prefer plastic clips over Velcro due to Velcro getting dirty quickly with frequent emptying. Vented bags are not used by the originator.

- Users are encouraged to contact Hollister to express their concerns.

Advice and insights from the discussion include:

1. Notification and product numbers: Users agree that Hollister should have informed customers about the change. The company claims the new material is more environmentally friendly. The thicker beige version is still available but under new codes.

2. Alternatives within Hollister:
- The 18182 model has a soft cloth cover with a small clear window and shows no performance change for most users, though some report air bubbles that can lead to leaks.
- The 18123 model is fully opaque, reducing noise and odor but making it hard to see if the pouch is empty.
- Fully opaque pouches are still available for those who prioritize discretion and odor control.

3. Performance feedback on the new thin film:
- Durability reports are mixed, with some active users experiencing no issues, while others worry about tearing.
- The new film makes the pouch harder to rinse and empty, and it degrades faster.
- Noise is a common complaint, though it stops once the pouch is filled. Cloth-covered versions eliminate the noise.
- The closure clip grips less securely, reducing confidence.
- Many users report odor issues with the new film, which permeates within 24 hours. Deodorizing drops and other remedies offer limited help, leading some to switch to opaque bags.

4. Related Hollister issues: There was a recall in Australia for a different Hollister product due to film weakness. Users are encouraged to report any issues to Hollister, as improvements are being worked on.

5. Other brands are also thinning their films, possibly due to cost-cutting.

6. Practical user tips:
- If odor is a major issue, try the opaque beige styles or another brand until improvements are made.
- Byram Healthcare allows returns within 15 days, which is helpful if you receive unwanted new-material pouches.
- For frequent emptying, plastic clips can be washed or swapped to avoid Velcro issues.
- Adding an EZ-Valve can eliminate the need for built-in filters.
- Peppermint tablets or mouthwash can help mask odor when using the thinner film.

Overall, users value confidence and discretion in their pouches and prefer the older, thicker film. They urge Hollister and other manufacturers to restore durability and barrier qualities or at least offer both versions with distinct part numbers.