Topic Explanation
The discussion centers around the declining quality of the Convatec Natura Sur-Fit two-piece system, specifically the pouch 411491. The original poster (OP) has noticed that the bottom edges of the pouch stick together, making drainage difficult, and that odor control has worsened. Despite contacting Convatec, the OP did not receive helpful support and is considering switching to another system. The OP has been using baby oil to ease the process but is seeking advice from others who might have experienced similar issues.
Advice and Insights
1. Quality Variability in Convatec Products:
- Some users have noticed inconsistency in the material of Convatec pouches, with some boxes feeling like vinyl and others like plastic. The vinyl ones tend to develop a burned plastic odor after a few days.
2. Alternative Systems:
- Hollister 2-piece system with the 18183 pouch is recommended by some users. Although the pouches can be crinkly and the filters clog quickly, they generally work well.
3. Baby Oil Usage:
- Caution is advised when using baby oil, especially if the pouch has a Velcro closure, as baby oil can weaken it. Instead, using water to help empty the bag is suggested. Pouring in about 150 ml of water, sloshing it around, and then emptying and rinsing the bag can help manage odor.
4. Opening the Pouch:
- Folding or pleating the opening of the pouch can make it easier to open. Some users cut a wedge out of the Hollister bags to prevent sticking.
5. Lubricant/Deodorant:
- Using a combination lubricant/deodorant, such as Hollister Adapt, can help. Adding a bit of M9 can completely eliminate odor. It is recommended to use a lubricant designed for stomas to avoid interfering with barrier adhesion.
6. Inexpensive Odor Control:
- An alternative method for controlling odor is placing an Altoid in the bag, although this method is not universally used.
7. Regular Maintenance:
- Regularly using a lubricant/deodorant after each pouch emptying can prevent issues. Users have reported no problems with Hollister barriers or bags when following this practice.
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