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Do You Guys Wear A Seat Belt or Not?

Posted by w30bob, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:00 am

Hi Gang,

  Do you wear your seatbelt when driving?  Due to my high output I never wore my belt......but after getting pulled over a zillion times I now wear it.  Since I don't want it over my stoma I pull the shoulder strap out and run it over my right knee (instead of over my stoma).  Every cop who has pulled me over always appologized profusely and got me back on my way quickly after I lifted my shirt and showed them why I wasn't wearing my belt.  But being pulled over was getting to be a pain in the arse, so now I loop my belt over my knee and from their vantage point they see the shoulder belt being worn and don't pull me over anymore. I know they make a stoma guard, but I don't want to wear any more crap. So just wondering what you guys do.

Thanks,

Bob

Reply by Bill, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:54 am

Hello Bob. 

The simple answer is that I always wear a seatbelt in the car. However, I do act as an escort on a 'welfare bus'  where a few or our passengers have similar problems to those of ostomates and do not want to wear seatbelts. 

Unfortunately, for insurance purposes there is a necessity for everyone on the buses to wear seatbelts at all times. In these cases we have come up with several ways to make the WEARING OF SEATBELTS MORE COMFORTABLE.

1) A simple clothes peg, clipped on the belt at the place where it comes from the shoulder pivot, stops the belt from gradually getting tighter. ( The belt will still work if there was an accident.) 

2) We requested that any new buses were designed differently, so that this problem could be overcome. Our new buses have the option of having the seabelts hang from a point above the person so that they do not press on the shoulder or the abdomen. 

3) In the case of wheelchair users, the belts can be fixed so that they also hang from above the passenger, rather than over the shoulder. also the design is completely different and much more comfortable. 

4) For extra large passengers, we have extentions to the fixing point near the seat. these have the effect of moving that point further forward at the lower abdomen, thereby relieving the pressure on that area.

5) I have bought  foam covers for seatbelts, (available from motoring stores) which also takes the pressure off the body by spreading the load and making the belts more comfortable to wear.

6) This concept could easily be extended to incorporate a stoma guard into/upon a seatbelt so that the passenger would not be wearing it on their person and would only have a need for it when they are wearing the seatbelt.

7) For cars, there are a variety of alternative arrangements for replacing the conventional (cheap) seatbelts. (They are usually fitted on the more expensive vehicles.) However, we have a voluntary organisation of engineers in our area who will take up the challenge of making the lives of disabled people more comfortable and manageable. I am sure that if someone presented them with a problem such as this, they would be only to happy to address their collective minds and skills to overcoming the problem.

(My own suggestion for protecting stomas, would be to use the concept of an extention to the lower fixing point and design it that so that it is a stiff curve to the shape of the body at the area of the lower abdomen where the stoma is situated. The shoulder strap would then be fixed at a point above the stoma and the device should act as a stoma guard.) I think that my suggestion would need to be tailor-made for each person, as stomas tend to be in different places. However, once the principle is established, this should not be too difficult for a mechanic or engineer to make.   

I hope my comments are helpful in finding solutions to  what should be a relatively simple (mechanical) problem.

Best wishes

Bill 

 

Reply by honestabe, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:46 am

Never have, never will!

Reply by ron in mich, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:12 am

Hi Bob initially i had a letter from my pcp saying i had an ostomy but was told by a cop that i would need to renew it every year so now i just wear the belt and dont bother asking for a letter every year.

Reply by Tickpol , on Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:27 am

Since most of the time I'm wearing my shirt untucked I just put the belt under my pouch.  Mind you I don't drive for Uber or anything like that so there's no one there to see it.

 

In the event of an accident I trust that my pouch will do fine since it is after all largely an air bag. LOL

 

Dave

Reply by w30bob, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:30 am

Thanks for the replies guys. 

  Ron.......my doc told me she could get me handicap plates, but I'm having none of that.  It got to the point where the same cop would sit on the side of the road on the way to work checking for seatbelts everyday and he'd just wave to me each morning as I passed without wearing my seat belt.  Now the guards at the Navy base I work at always see the strap routed over my knee when I show them my ID and no one has ever asked or commented on why I'm doing that.  Seems a bit odd in this day of "see something weird, say something"..........but no one does. 

  Abe........you rock brother......stick it to da' man!  I hate friggin' seat belts.  Almost (but not quite) as stupid as making you wear a helmet to ride a bike.  We like to talk about how much Freedom we have here in the US, but we don't even have the freedom to be stupid or take our own life.  Almost makes me want to move to Italy, but not quite.  The pizza there really sucks. Really.

 Bill.........insightful as usual.  I'd considered a modifed seat belt or harness, but I'm too damn lazy.  Besides, it's always nice to meet your local police.  Nice fellows they usually are.

regards,

bob

 

Reply by panther, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:56 am

Yes compulsory in the UK and after worrking in a garage most of my life and seeing cars after accidents and serious injuries and deaths from not wearing a belt  I would never drive or get in a car without wearing a seatbelt I do have a Jejunostomy so it's a very high output and watery but my life is to precious too, if I have a leak and rarely do so be it I choose a leak over death everytime 

Reply by newyorktorque, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:06 am

It seems like the seatbelt always lands right over the stoma.  I can wear the slanted / diagonal strap no problem.  As for the lap belt, that sits behind me.  I did see something online (maybe ebay?) where they now have something to place over the belt to accommodate ostomates.

Reply by Anoniem18, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:28 pm

I use a clip on the stomach belt which allows me to clip the shoulder belt away from the stoma, works great. 
The clip can slide on the stomach belt left or right and the shoulder belt can clip on the separate piece that has an opening facing downwards.
Ed Maste

 

Reply by scorsby, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:40 pm

Hi.

Why not get irrigating (if you can) then you don't have to worry about where the seat belt goes.

John 

Reply by Sueaxe, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:20 pm

So you would prefer to risk possible injury or death and the amount of carnage, ie traffic disruption, wastage of emergency services, trauma staff, bed space et.c all because you choose to wear your belt incorrectly.

I guess saving your life with one operation aint good enough for you.

It would be so funny to watch an internal dash cam pic as your airbag went off and you were restrained incorrectly, thro' personal choice.

Look up air bag accidents, just carry on regardless.

Bit sad

Take it easy Bob, but take it.

S

Reply by Charley, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:46 pm

Hi Bob,

I wear a seat belt whenever I'm on the road.  I also wear a plastic Stoma Guard all day long.  I'm told that a severely damaged stoma can bleed you out in a hurry.  The guard costs about $50 and is well worth the price for the peace of mind, and it'll keep the cops off your back when you wear your belt correctly.

Reply by newyorktorque, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:06 pm

 

Jejunostomates Unite!

 

 

 

 

 

panther wrote:

Yes compulsory in the UK and after worrking in a garage most of my life and seeing cars after accidents and serious injuries and deaths from not wearing a belt  I would never drive or get in a car without wearing a seatbelt I do have a Jejunostomy so it's a very high output and watery but my life is to precious too, if I have a leak and rarely do so be it I choose a leak over death everytime 



Reply by bryancohnracing, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:46 pm

I always wear seat belts. I also race cars for a hobby and wear 5 and 6 point seat belts.

You should be wearing the lap belt of your seat belt low and snug over your PELVIS at your beltline, not your stomach. This is key to the seat belt working properly. Worn over the stomach will cause harm to your internal organs.

 

Reply by Newbie Dana, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:48 pm

Anoniem, we used to have clips like that for seat belts for the kids when they were small, and out of the car seat, but still too small to comfortably wear the regular seat belts. Worked really great for them - also works terrific for adjusting the belt away from the stoma! I believe it is also marketed for pregnant women to keep the belt below the developing baby.

Reply by OzTomate, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:41 pm

G’day Bob,

I’m afraid no moral support from me about seat belts as I live in Melbourne, Australia and we were the FIRST state in the world to make the wearing of seat belts compulsory. So we started it and the rest of the sensible, mature and responsible world followed. Since then the Oz laws have been tightened to make the driver responsible if any passenger fails to properly wear their belt.

The stats speak for themselves about the huge number of lives saved, but especially the number of horrific injuries avoided. So many people were killed or severely injured going through windscreens and/or simply being thrown out of vehicles, especially rollovers.

After decades of compulsory seat belt wearing laws the only idiots who are thrown out in vehicle accidents, often killed, are teenagers who for some reason make the macho judgement, usually when together, not to wear a belt and we put that down entirely to their time of life when they know everything.

I’ve had my stoma for nearly 4 years. I spend several months each year towing our caravan (trailer) around Oz and often (as the sole driver) drive for 6 or 7 hours a day. I am mindful of the belt pressure on my stoma area and bag but not too concerned about it. Sometimes I have employed Bill’s suggestion of using a clip to hold the belt in a comfortable position of light tension and stop the constant self-tightening.

I haven’t done any research but have wondered if there are any commercial bridge-like devices that may protect the stoma from belt pressure.

For decades my seat belt application in a vehicle has been subconscious and as automatic as breathing.... and I’ll end on that relevant segue :)

Diz
Reply by Diz, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:02 pm

Hi Bob - I don't know how lenient the UK Police would be about stomas and seat belts. They are pretty hot on people not wearing them. I have the added horror of being awfully skinny and the belt dug into my shoulder blade until it was sore. So I sewed towels around the seat belt and position it where my shoulder blade is. I have a high output into my ileostomy because I have very little bowel left and my output is just liquid. At the start of a journey my stoma bag is flat, but after a short while my bag gets quite big and the pressure of the seat belt made me feel as if it was going to burst any minute - Aaargh - especially if you have passengers. How embarrassing would that be? So I got a plastic rectangular ice cream box and it fitted very well over my bag. Problem solved!

Reply by newyorktorque, on Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:18 pm
Diz wrote:

Hi Bob - I don't know how lenient the UK Police would be about stomas and seat belts. They are pretty hot on people not wearing them. I have the added horror of being awfully skinny and the belt dug into my shoulder blade until it was sore. So I sewed towels around the seat belt and position it where my shoulder blade is. I have a high output into my ileostomy because I have very little bowel left and my output is just liquid. At the start of a journey my stoma bag is flat, but after a short while my bag gets quite big and the pressure of the seat belt made me feel as if it was going to burst any minute - Aaargh - especially if you have passengers. How embarrassing would that be? So I got a plastic rectangular ice cream box and it fitted very well over my bag. Problem solved!


 Excellent!  I'm a skinny one too, I'll have to try that.

Reply by Bill, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:20 am
Diz wrote:

Hi Bob - I don't know how lenient the UK Police would be about stomas and seat belts. They are pretty hot on people not wearing them. I have the added horror of being awfully skinny and the belt dug into my shoulder blade until it was sore. So I sewed towels around the seat belt and position it where my shoulder blade is. I have a high output into my ileostomy because I have very little bowel left and my output is just liquid. At the start of a journey my stoma bag is flat, but after a short while my bag gets quite big and the pressure of the seat belt made me feel as if it was going to burst any minute - Aaargh - especially if you have passengers. How embarrassing would that be? So I got a plastic rectangular ice cream box and it fitted very well over my bag. Problem solved!


Hello Diz.

What a great idea!  It's often the simple solutions that are best.

Best wishes 

Bill

Reply by HigherLove77, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:56 am

I don't wear one as of yet... It simply feels really bad and totally uncomfortable. My doctor gave me a note to keep in the car in the event I get pulled over or something. Not sure if it'll help but it's worth a shot if it happens. 

Past Member
Reply by Past Member, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:44 am

There are a lot of idiots out there on the road which means you don't have it in your hand if or when you get an accident. You also mentioned bike, are you talking of a bicycle or a motorcycle? For a bicycle I can somewhat understand it you don't want to wear a helmet if you're just on a city bicycle but on a motorcycle, really? 

You go play your "freedom card" to be an organ donor and not take basic safety precautions...

Reply by Bill, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:50 am
withed wrote:

There are a lot of idiots out there on the road which means you don't have it in your hand if or when you get an accident. You also mentioned bike, are you talking of a bicycle or a motorcycle? For a bicycle I can somewhat understand it you don't want to wear a helmet if you're just on a city bicycle but on a motorcycle, really? 

You go play your "freedom card" to be an organ donor and not take basic safety precautions...

Hello withed.

My wife and I do not wear crash helmets for riding bicycles. Instead we have 'Hovding' airbags. I have had just one accident since wearing these and the hovding deployed perfectly. What I was most impressed with, was that it protects the whole of the head and the neck. They are a bit expensive but Hovding let me have a replacement for half price. 

Best wishes

Bill 

Reply by Sueaxe, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:31 pm

Re Withed, I totally agree with many comments on this topic.

Your comment sums it up quite well, " freedom card". 

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose, nothing aint worth nothing, but it's free. Kristofferson I guess, quite poignant.

To compound the original post, Bob appears to be actively encouraging the disregard of safety devices designed to save lives.

So why has he chose a life saving opp, just to 'tempt fate' ?

Ave fun folk

S

Reply by River Birch, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:10 pm
Charley wrote:

Hi Bob,

I wear a seat belt whenever I'm on the road.  I also wear a plastic Stoma Guard all day long.  I'm told that a severely damaged stoma can bleed you out in a hurry.  The guard costs about $50 and is well worth the price for the peace of mind, and it'll keep the cops off your back when you wear your belt correctly.


HI Charley, When I looked into purhasing a stoma guard, I found one that costs about$50 but it attaches to the pouch by velcro and presumably the part that is stuck to the pouch is disposed of when the pouch is changed so the velcro is an item that has to be purchased regularly.  Is this the stoma guard that you purchased?  Is the name Stoma Dome?  Thanks.  

Reply by River Birch, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:52 pm

Hi Bob, I finally learned that pressure from a seat belt or snug jeans on the stoma can cause a leak to occur underneath the wafer ( or whatever it's called) but I still don't understand how that can happen. Anyways, until I can purchase or create something better, I am using a tightly rolled small towel, approximately three inches in diameter by nine inches long, secured by rubber bands. I place this between my legs and pull the seat belt over the towel so that it  does not touch the stoma, which is on my right side.

Reply by Nicholoffs, on Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:06 pm

I have an Ileostomy, I always wear my seatbelt, whether I'm a passenger or the driver. All I do is just loosen belt and put it down lower on my stomach. I've never had a problem with It..

Reply by dadnabbit, on Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:25 am
Sueaxe wrote:

So you would prefer to risk possible injury or death and the amount of carnage, ie traffic disruption, wastage of emergency services, trauma staff, bed space et.c all because you choose to wear your belt incorrectly.

I guess saving your life with one operation aint good enough for you.

It would be so funny to watch an internal dash cam pic as your airbag went off and you were restrained incorrectly, thro' personal choice.

Look up air bag accidents, just carry on regardless.

Bit sad

Take it easy Bob, but take it.

S


I watched my roomate burn to death being unable to get her belt released.  That was back in 1972, and I still have nightmares.  I will NEVER forget her screams.  It is MY CHOICE to not wear a seatbelt.  Your judgement is unnecessary.  And if you think it would be "FUNNY", to see someone harmed in any way just because they don't agree with your choices, then YOUR sense of humor needs adjusting.  Yes, I realize there are laws, and I also have a notice from my PCP because a seatbelt pulls my bag off because of positioning.  HOWEVER, it has ALWAYS been my choice. If someone is going to get hurt it will be me, not you.  If I ride with someone else and they are driving, I sit in back to avoid legal repercussions for them.  And as far as traffic disruption and waste of emergency services etc. -- talk to those who phone, text, dance to the music, apply makeup, eat, drink, argue with a passenger, turn around to chastise their fighting children, wave their arms screaming at the person who just ran them off the road, reach for something in the back seat, etc, etc. etc.  My choice may NOT be the best choice, but it is MY CHOICE and I stand by it.  Regulators need to stop taking away freedom of choice from adults in the name of the protection of children.  I don't have children, but I do believe kids who don't sit still belong in seat belts.  Of course, in an accident, I hope you can get them out of the car....

PEACE

Dadnabbit

Reply by dadnabbit, on Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:49 am
Sueaxe wrote:

Re Withed, I totally agree with many comments on this topic.

Your comment sums it up quite well, " freedom card". 

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose, nothing aint worth nothing, but it's free. Kristofferson I guess, quite poignant.

To compound the original post, Bob appears to be actively encouraging the disregard of safety devices designed to save lives.

So why has he chose a life saving opp, just to 'tempt fate' ?

Ave fun folk

S


"  Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose

Nothin' don't mean nothin' hon if it ain't free"   Kristofferson

FREEDOM means and is worth EVERYTHING to me.

PEACE

Dadnabbit

Reply by w30bob, on Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:53 am

Hi Dadnabbit,

 Sorry to hear about your roomate, that really sucks. My Dad was in a very bad car accident when I was in college. He was the passenger in his best friend's car on the way to work in the morning when his friend fell asleep while driving and hit a stopped car in traffic on a parkway at over 60 mph. A toolbox in the back of the car slid forward from the impact and drove my Dad thru the windshield and out onto the highway. He suffered a broken back and other minor injuries, but did fully recover and is still alive today. Had he been wearing a seatbelt he would have been crushed to death between the toolbox and the dash. So I just ignore stupid comments like Sueaxe's.  I wasn't encouraging anyone to do anything......I simply asked if ostomates wear a seatbelt or not. Everyone's situation and viewpoint is different, so I appreciate those who share theirs on the subject.

Regards,

Bob

Reply by dadnabbit, on Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:33 am
w30bob wrote:

Hi Dadnabbit,

 Sorry to hear about your roomate, that really sucks. My Dad was in a very bad car accident when I was in college. He was the passenger in his best friend's car on the way to work in the morning when his friend fell asleep while driving and hit a stopped car in traffic on a parkway at over 60 mph. A toolbox in the back of the car slid forward from the impact and drove my Dad thru the windshield and out onto the highway. He suffered a broken back and other minor injuries, but did fully recover and is still alive today. Had he been wearing a seatbelt he would have been crushed to death between the toolbox and the dash. So I just ignore stupid comments like Sueaxe's.  I wasn't encouraging anyone to do anything......I simply asked if ostomates wear a seatbelt or not. Everyone's situation and viewpoint is different, so I appreciate those who share theirs on the subject.

Regards,

Bob


Thanks Bob, for the kind words.

My point is just that we are all the result of our personal experiences, and lack of freedom of choice is my number one pet peeve.  I honestly believe in live and let live, as long as you are not doing something to intentionally hurt someone else. And when it comes to making choices that are reflected by religious, moral and/or ethical choices, choices that others may judge as being harmful to themselves or someone else, I'll make my choice and answer to my God at the end of my life.  You know what they say--- Opinions are like @$$*****, everyone's got one, (or two in some of our cases LOL) and we should be allowed to live and die by our own choices.  I don't want to tell anyone else what to do, and I don't want to be told, either. I am well aware that there are folks who will disagree with me, such as anti abortionists and advocates against the death penalty.  Living within a society, we are subject to following the  "community" rules and that's what our laws are for. But, I will admit that I am more likely to follow my gut, my conscience, and my moral and ethical beliefs,  and my decisions and choices will be based on my experiences.

PEACE

Dadnabbit

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