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Posted by tmn86, on Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:15 pm

I grew-up eating Mexican foods,(& REALLY miss them) but was told by my ostomy nurse that everything from corn tortillas to refried beans were out. Is there any truth to this?

Help!!

Past Member
Reply by Past Member, on Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:07 pm

I'm not aware of that. I discovered the joy of mexican food 6 months ago and been loving it so far without any issues.

JMC
Reply by JMC, on Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:17 pm

There is definitely no truth to this one!  I often wonder whether ostomy care professionals ever ask about their patient's diets in the months/years after surgery?  Perhaps the ones that eat anything and everything (like me) don't need any after-care who knows?

I love Mexican food and eat it and make it regularly with no problems so far (10+ years), even refried beans, chillies and jalopenos aren't an issue.  As far as I can tell Mexican food is full of goodness, can't go past any dish that contains an avocado after all, one superfood that I could eat everyday.

Of course try a small amount and see how you go but I'm thinking if you grew up eating it you won't have an issue.

Buen Provecho! :-)

 

Reply by tmn86, on Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:29 pm
JMC wrote:

There is definitely no truth to this one!  I often wonder whether ostomy care professionals ever ask about their patient's diets in the months/years after surgery?  Perhaps the ones that eat anything and everything (like me) don't need any after-care who knows?

I love Mexican food and eat it and make it regularly with no problems so far (10+ years), even refried beans, chillies and jalopenos aren't an issue.  As far as I can tell Mexican food is full of goodness, can't go past any dish that contains an avocado after all, one superfood that I could eat everyday.

Of course try a small amount and see how you go but I'm thinking if you grew up eating it you won't have an issue.

Buen Provecho! :-)

 

Thank you so much for your reply, I am from San Diego,Ca. & have eaten it all my life. 
I'm just gonna try it!! 🤞🏼

Past Member
Reply by Past Member, on Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:43 pm

Maybe they adviced against it not because it's bad but more of a nuisance with extra gasses filling up the bag? Or any food that makes you gassy. But even that isn't so bad from my experiences.

Reply by w30bob, on Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:29 pm

Hi tmn,

  Ostomy nurses, like all medical professionals, come in all shapes, sizes and knowledge levels.  I can't stress enough how important word of mouth is when dealing with medical folks.  If you walk up to a nurse without knowing him/her and ask how good doctor so-and-so is they will automatically say he/she is great.....because she doesn't know you or your motives and wants to cover his/her ass.  But if you were on a first name basis and maybe joke around a bit with the same nurse you'd be very surprised at what you could learn about old so-and-so. Same goes for information like what an ostomy patient should eat.  There's the textbook answer, which you got, and then there's the real answer that's a little more guarded because it involves the use of common sense that the ostomy nurse can't control and doesn't know if you have any or not. 

  Put yourself in here shoes.  Follow me here.........so you ask the ostomy nurse if you can eat Mexican food.  You're expecting her to assume she can count on you to have common sense and not overdue it.  So she takes a chance and tells you you can certainly eat Mexican, but don't go nuts.  But let's say you don't have common sense and you have no clue what "don't go nuts" means (and you weren't smart enough to ask).  So you truck on over to Taco Bell and woof down a couple Beefy 5 Layer Burritos with lots of hot sauce.  Next thing you know you're running into the ER complaining about pain and bloating and gas and excess output, etc.  The first thing the Triage Nurse is going to ask you is what you recently ate.........and you're going to tell them.  If that nurse has a set of testicles he's going to ask you why the hell someone with intestinal issues (ie, you) just ate all that spicy Mexican food.  And your going to say..........drum roll please........because the ostomy nurse said I could.  Take a wild guess who's going to be getting called into her bosses office the next morning to expain why she told you it's ok to eat Mexican food? 

  Anyway, my point is you have to remember that if they don't know you, medical folks will provide the answers for the lowest common denominator.........ie, the stupid patients.....just to cover their butts.  For that reason I always make it a point to make lots of conversation, get the names of any medical folks I meet, and show them they're not talking to a blooming idiot.  Even if I'm just there for a few hours for a CT scan or a few minutes for bloodwork.  You make judgements about people you just meet all the time.  Medical folks are no different.  Only difference is they'll get their butts sued off for malpractice if they assume anything about you or your intelligence level.  So they don't assume anything.  I find people will take better care of you if they like you.  Seems like common sense to me, but I see lots of folks getting pissed off, yelling and making a scene in doctor's offices and hospitals all the time.  How well would you treat someone who's screaming at you and all up in your face while you are trying to help them?  And I'm not saying that's you, just one extreme of their daily lives.  I'll just say I've been able to avoid countless idiots in the medical world (doctors, nurses, radiologists, etc) by getting other medical folks to tell me the truth about who the good doctors, etc are and who to avoid.  Same goes for getting anwers to my medical questions.  Yes, it does take a little effort on your part....but it's ultimately up to you to find the best health care professionals.  Remember, it's a job to them.......they go home at 5:00pm and have their own issues to deal with, so they aren't worrying about you all night.  But go out of your way to make a friend and the next time you meet them it will pay dividends.  And if you never deal with them again so what.  Some stranger will remember meeting a nice person and that's all.  Still not a bad thing.  If you leave your medical care and those who provide it up to the luck of the draw you will eventually lose......because over time "The House Always Wins".  Now go get yerself a nice pizza taco and enjoy it.  But just one............and easy on the Hot Sauce!!  And if anyone asks don't you dare say Bob said it was ok to do so.

;O)

  

regards,

bob

Reply by Tickpol , on Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:11 pm
w30bob wrote:

Hi tmn,

  Ostomy nurses, like all medical professionals, come in all shapes, sizes and knowledge levels.  I can't stress enough how important word of mouth is when dealing with medical folks.  If you walk up to a nurse without knowing him/her and ask how good doctor so-and-so is they will automatically say he/she is great.....because she doesn't know you or your motives and wants to cover his/her ass.  But if you were on a first name basis and maybe joke around a bit with the same nurse you'd be very surprised at what you could learn about old so-and-so. Same goes for information like what an ostomy patient should eat.  There's the textbook answer, which you got, and then there's the real answer that's a little more guarded because it involves the use of common sense that the ostomy nurse can't control and doesn't know if you have any or not. 

  Put yourself in here shoes.  Follow me here.........so you ask the ostomy nurse if you can eat Mexican food.  You're expecting her to assume she can count on you to have common sense and not overdue it.  So she takes a chance and tells you you can certainly eat Mexican, but don't go nuts.  But let's say you don't have common sense and you have no clue what "don't go nuts" means (and you weren't smart enough to ask).  So you truck on over to Taco Bell and woof down a couple Beefy 5 Layer Burritos with lots of hot sauce.  Next thing you know you're running into the ER complaining about pain and bloating and gas and excess output, etc.  The first thing the Triage Nurse is going to ask you is what you recently ate.........and you're going to tell them.  If that nurse has a set of testicles he's going to ask you why the hell someone with intestinal issues (ie, you) just ate all that spicy Mexican food.  And your going to say..........drum roll please........because the ostomy nurse said I could.  Take a wild guess who's going to be getting called into her bosses office the next morning to expain why she told you it's ok to eat Mexican food? 

  Anyway, my point is you have to remember that if they don't know you, medical folks will provide the answers for the lowest common denominator.........ie, the stupid patients.....just to cover their butts.  For that reason I always make it a point to make lots of conversation, get the names of any medical folks I meet, and show them they're not talking to a blooming idiot.  Even if I'm just there for a few hours for a CT scan or a few minutes for bloodwork.  You make judgements about people you just meet all the time.  Medical folks are no different.  Only difference is they'll get their butts sued off for malpractice if they assume anything about you or your intelligence level.  So they don't assume anything.  I find people will take better care of you if they like you.  Seems like common sense to me, but I see lots of folks getting pissed off, yelling and making a scene in doctor's offices and hospitals all the time.  How well would you treat someone who's screaming at you and all up in your face while you are trying to help them?  And I'm not saying that's you, just one extreme of their daily lives.  I'll just say I've been able to avoid countless idiots in the medical world (doctors, nurses, radiologists, etc) by getting other medical folks to tell me the truth about who the good doctors, etc are and who to avoid.  Same goes for getting anwers to my medical questions.  Yes, it does take a little effort on your part....but it's ultimately up to you to find the best health care professionals.  Remember, it's a job to them.......they go home at 5:00pm and have their own issues to deal with, so they aren't worrying about you all night.  But go out of your way to make a friend and the next time you meet them it will pay dividends.  And if you never deal with them again so what.  Some stranger will remember meeting a nice person and that's all.  Still not a bad thing.  If you leave your medical care and those who provide it up to the luck of the draw you will eventually lose......because over time "The House Always Wins".  Now go get yerself a nice pizza taco and enjoy it.  But just one............and easy on the Hot Sauce!!  And if anyone asks don't you dare say Bob said it was ok to do so.

;O)

  

regards,

bob

Bob nails it again.  Just an addition...If you're eating something with whole beans remember that the bean hull doesn't like to be digested.  If you don't chew really well you could have a piece big enough to cause a blockage.  I think the alimentary ostomate mantra should be "chew, chew, chew".

Reply by w30bob, on Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:41 pm

Or if you're an ostomate who's into trains make it "Choo-Choo-Choo".

Feel real bad for ostomates without teeth!!!

 

;O)

bob

Reply by Bagface, on Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:56 am
w30bob wrote:

Or if you're an ostomate who's into trains make it "Choo-Choo-Choo".

Feel real bad for ostomates without teeth!!!

 

;O)

bob


Bob-Your responses are priceless!

Reply by Bagface, on Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:58 am
w30bob wrote:

Or if you're an ostomate who's into trains make it "Choo-Choo-Choo".

Feel real bad for ostomates without teeth!!!

 

;O)

bob


Bob-Your responses are priceless!

Reply by zanzi1, on Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:08 pm

I had delicious bean burritos last night with no repercussions. I love them. Each person is different. Try each food a little at a time. Even then, sometimes a food will bother you and sometimes there won't be any problems. Bon appetit.

 

Reply by Newbie Dana, on Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:31 pm

Another note of caution: how recent is your ostomy? The surgery itself messes up your digestive system for several weeks to a few months until your body can heal and get back on an even keel. Most surgeons, ostomy nurses, and dieticians recommend a bland (boring) low-residue diet until your system heals up, and then slowly re-introducing your old foods back a little at a time until you are basically on a "whatever you want" diet with a few exceptions. And you will find those exceptions by trial and error as you slowly resume your normal diet. For me, the exception is popcorn; other than that, no issues at all. And I just ate an excellent Mexican dinner at a lovely Mexican diner just day before yesterday.

Enjoy!

Baw
Reply by Baw, on Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:53 pm

Well, I have an illiostomy and eat bean burritos. I take BENO before the first bie.  I also eat ground beef tacos.  Don't have any unusual problems. Also eat chili with beans.  Maybe I am just strange.   GOOD LUCK!  Barbara

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