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Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:19 am
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Hi all, 

Im New to this forum, yet have had ileostomy for over 17 yrs. I wanted to know how do other ostomates deal with pancaking. The past few months my stoma has decided to hide from the world, yet contents going behind my baseplate, with the outcome of faecal matter on my skin,lifting the baseplate off and causing accidents. Last night i had to chat my whole 2 piece 4 times. This gets me low even afyer all these years. Any advice would be gratfully received. X

Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:59 am

Have you talked to your doctor about having it redone so it sticks out more? If it’s truly below skin level, I’m not sure what else can be done. 

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Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:41 am

Try blow in the bag before putting on you I had that problem 

Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:59 am


AlexT wrote:

Have you talked to your doctor about having it redone so it sticks out more? If it’s truly below skin level, I’m not sure what else can be done. 

Hi, 

It does stick out, yet when output is solid, due to adhesions in abdomen, this affects output. As soon as i realize its sunk in, i press around stoma and it pops back out. 

Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:02 am


Diamondflo wrote:

Try blow in the bag before putting on you I had that problem 

Funnily enough i done this last night, then stuck a sticky over vent, i thought this was a fluke, that it worked. So maybe this is the solution 🤔 The stoma does stick out when it chooses to behave. 

Thankyou for this . 

Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:24 am

morning Rosebud...have u tried adding a little bit of baby oil swish around the bag before you put it on it helps waste slide down to avoid sticking and pancaking near the stoma...as well do you wear a barrier ring to protect skin around stoma and blocks waste....

Tracy

Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:25 am

After each time that you empty, make sure that you leave air in the bag.  Sometimes it's as simple as that to prevent pancaking.

Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:07 am


Rosebud65 wrote:

Hi, 

It does stick out, yet when output is solid, due to adhesions in abdomen, this affects output. As soon as i realize its sunk in, i press around stoma and it pops back out. 

Oh, well that changes everything. Like others have said….air in the bag, lubricate the inside of the bag, cover the filter or use non filtered bags, etc. Good luck. 

Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:50 am

I agree , you need air in the bag , just a little . Used to happen to me , not any more . Best of luck ☘  Magoo .

Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:20 pm

Wow 17 years with a stoma - I can’t even begin to imagine how tough it has been through those years for you and all the long-term ostomates.  I am guessing there was little information and even less help for ostimates in the past.  I am new to this (2 years) and at least I have had the worldwide web as well as this site of “on the job buddies” who are sure to respond to any questions I may have.  This site has certainly helped me to accept and move on.

That being said, my daughter claims I am a minimalist and this is certainly true when it comes to caring for my ostomy.  I find myself wanting to have the least amount of equipment possible on change day - it cramps my style. Lol - all the paraphernalia is exasperating to me.  I attribute this to my old age, shortness of stature, breath and  patience.  I pause here to inject something funny I read  the other day and I quote:   “Bruce Jenner is the only person in the history of the world who wanted to be a 65 year old woman “  - not that there’s anything wrong with that.  

Now for my 2 cents worth regarding your question.   I found many of my ostimate buddies encouraging the use of barrier rings,  which, to me, was just another piece of shit (excuse my expression) to add to the pile of necessities.  However, due to small leakages and irritation around my stoma, I have finally caved and started using a barrier ring to my less than joyful regiment.  I must admit it has helped to stop irritation around the tender skin next to my stoma due to a bit of leakage.   As many have said - make sure there is a bit of air in the bag (I am sure there is a joke here but I’ll pass) as soon as you place it and baby oil for slip slidden’ away is helpful too.  Hope you will be able to ease your issues with some of these ostomate comments.  

Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:51 pm


Justbreathe wrote:

Wow 17 years with a stoma - I can’t even begin to imagine how tough it has been through those years for you and all the long-term ostomates.  I am guessing there was little information and even ...

I was gonna suggest carrying a straw so a person can blow air into their bag, but I thought someone might actually think I was serious. 😮😂



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Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:55 pm


AlexT wrote:

I was gonna suggest carrying a straw so a person can blow air into their bag, but I thought someone might actually think I was serious. 😮😂

Great idea ...getting the end of the bag in my mouth has always been a bit of a downer for me 😱😭....especially between changes !!! 😱☘

Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:31 pm

I have the same issue but my stoma is way below skin level. I've been using convex wafer with a flat barrier ring along with a protective sheet film but I'm waiting for samples on a convex barrier ring. My nurse thinks the double convex will help move it along rather then going underneath the wafer. 

Tue Jul 26, 2022 4:33 pm


Homie With A Stomie NS wrote:

morning Rosebud...have u tried adding a little bit of baby oil swish around the bag before you put it on it helps waste slide down to avoid sticking and pancaking near the stoma...as well do you we...

Hi mommabear, No i have not do e this as i haven't heard of this way, so will be adding to my shopping list, and will definitely give it a go. Thankyou for your input. I use a washer which here in the uk its called a dermacollar, this is to prevent leakage. Yet i believe pancaking is happening as i have Adhesions which is making the output thicker. 

Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:00 pm

Just curious RB. What's the plan to deal with your adhesions? 

Wed Jul 27, 2022 3:45 am

after i change my pouch (one piece) or after emptying i put a little odour remover in and then put in a sheet of 3 ply toilet paper folded and rolled like a little cigarette and push that in the pouch to hopefully make an air pocket also cover your filter unless the pouch is balooning. patrick

Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:54 am


AlexT wrote:

I was gonna suggest carrying a straw so a person can blow air into their bag, but I thought someone might actually think I was serious. 😮😂

😂 well nothing quite a laugh, especially when we have our rosebud connected to us. When it behaves we are best of friends 😉

Fri Jul 29, 2022 6:25 am


Mayoman wrote:

I agree , you need air in the bag , just a little . Used to happen to me , not any more . Best of luck ☘  Magoo .

Hi, Well i have been ptting air in, and touch wood its been working. Something so simple yet have you more relaxed when not stressing. Oil is also a great idea. I use pearl sachets , which solidifies output, these help with the emptying bag. I rate these A***

Thanks again 😊

Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:48 pm


Justbreathe wrote:

Wow 17 years with a stoma - I can’t even begin to imagine how tough it has been through those years for you and all the long-term ostomates.  I am guessing there was little information and even ...

Hi just breathe, love the name aswell. I am rosebud because this is the name i gave to my stoma all those years ago. 

Dont get me wrong, even now i get so cheesed off with the whole thing, that did change my way of life, especially when it doesn't work properly,  and that is due to the adhesions i have in the abdomen, which can twist with my small colon. Making me have a stoma that stops working. 

So i drink like a fish.......water in the day 🙃,  and exercising.  

I agree, the amount of stuff us ostomates require, i mean if we go away for a couple nights, the 3rd person ( rosebud) 😂 requires more things than me. 

Is there much help where you are? Sadly where i live we have 2 stoma nurses to cover 200 miles , its ridiculous.  The guys who help if i am having issues is the company who sorts my monthly prescription out, they are worth there waiting gold. 

Is your stoma a permanent fixture ? I hope you dont mind me asking. 

Chat soon. 😊

Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:02 pm

To answer your questions I pretty much stumbled through my recovery.  I had to have  emergency surgery when we were out of state for the summer in 2020.  When I was able to travel,  I returned to Florida to a new physician/surgeon.  He had a stoma nurse who helped me but the folks on this website were the most helpful.  I have an ileostomy that can be reversed.  I was anxiously awaiting my reversal when I had a heart attack and it was delayed.  Now that I am back to normal and have learned to live with Seymour (stoma) for almost two years I now have reconsidered reversal.  My fear of the unknown end result, recovery time, my age,  and the fact that I am in no pain or distress keep me from pressing go on reversal.   There are soooo many “what if’s” .  I’m guessing many would think me crazy for not having the reversal but I’ll soon be 79 - will it be another 2 years of recovery time and from what I’ve read the percentage of complete success is not all that great.  What would you do?

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