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Wear time issues

Posted by TimeToGrow, on Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:50 pm

I think we've all experienced a bag change where we peel off the barrier and realize "they broke through the front line". Recently it's been happening more often. I have 2 issues and I'd like to know if these could be a reason.

1. Weight gain- I wear a convex wafer, and have gained my Covid-20. The skin around my stoma is a little softer than usual.

2. Older products- I had a few backup supplies I started using and am curious what a typical shelf life is for barriers. I use ConvaTec, and don't believe is says on the package.

I know some people say they get less wear time in the Summer, but that has not been the case for me.

Thanks in advance for any input about the output.

Reply by Maried, on Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:54 pm

All of the above can change the wear time of tour bag.. heat, weight change and old bags also wet rashes around your stoma. 

Reply by Puppyluv56, on Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:00 pm

All of the above could be an issue with wear time. Typical shelf life of the Ostomy supplies is 5 years but that could lessen if they were not stored in a cool place. The expiration date is on each box but it is a code and if they tell you, they will have to kill you. Lol I posted how to read the code about two years ago. May have to go back and find that to repost! 
i do know that if I gain weight, everything changes. 
if you are in the heat or humidity during the summer and perspire more, that too is an issue. Sometimes the products change ( for the better, NOT) no one tells you and you find that your skin does not like the new and improved product! Sometimes it is just a bad batch. It is tricky! 
Hope you figure out which of the options are giving you fits! 
Pup

Reply by Padfoot, on Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:05 pm

Coloplast has a new product made for hernias and uneven surfaces around the stoma area. The flange is a star shape, so it's easier to fit over bulges and scars, etc. I haven't used it, so I can't comment on it, but it sure looks interesting. You could give Coloplast a call and ask for a sample. Worth a try. 

Laurie

Reply by Puppyluv56, on Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:35 pm

Yay! It took a while but I found the code! 

I googled this and the example they gave was messed up but I got the gist of if. It is the Lot # on the side of the box. My lot is 8A06114. The first number is the year , 2018. The letter is the Month A=Jan B=Feb C=March and so on so mine is Jan of 2018. The next is the day of the month. This being the 6th and the last 114 is their machine code. So my box expires 5 years from Jan.,6th 2018. Can the make it any harder? Lol

pup

Reply by w30bob, on Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:50 pm

Hi TTG,

  So.......all good info for sure.......but you're still probably sitting there saying "ok, but what do I do to stop the leaks?"  You're going to have to do a little investigating. You need to take note of where the the leaks are occuring.....is it always in the same area....or random?. If it's the same area then you have your first clue.  Next, when you remove your barrier you need to take notice of how well it's adhering to your skin. Is it adhering in spots.....or everywhere except where the leak is? Is your output going under your ring (are you using a ring) or is the ring breaking down? What is your skin like under your barrier? Do you have skin folds covered by your barrier? These are the kinds of questions your ostomy nurse will be asking you when you talk to them. The next time you change your barrier take a picture after each step of the removal so the nurse can see what you see. Your barrier will tell you why it's leaking, but you have to notice the details. And your ostomy nurse may see things that you don't notice or think are important. You should also reach out to the barrier manufacturer and show them your leak pics. They are a wealth of knowledge and have most likely seen your problem before.......so contact them. You can get there from here......it'll just take a little effort. So get on that!

Regards,

Bob

Reply by Immarsh, on Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:13 pm

Hi,   Great Info from Bob.  He just about covered all bases.   But I know how you must feel.  I use to get 7-10  days out of my convex, convatec ileostomy wafer / pouch.   A bit less in the summer, when it was hot, or I did a lot of showering ( hot water  ?)   or swimming.   It would soften the wafer.    Ive learned to take shorter, hot showers..    But a few years ago,   I noticed that the lower part of my 55 year old stoma, was pulling further back into the skin, causing a " hollow/ dent" under the stoma..   Hence, the leaking started.   That's when  I started with the convex.  It helped somewhat.  Then I used more " stomahesive paste",  but the output leaked through that.   I used t he elkin seals, and sometimes it workes  and othertimes not.   Sometimes it stays on a week, other times, I need to change 3 x in one day..    New medical issues....lots of gas, and water/ like output..   Turns out to be similar to  IBS  ( Irritable Bowel Syndrom)   I've begun reacting to the sugars  ( even artificial ones) found in foods, fruits and veggies.   First it cause a lot of gas, and then the  body / instestine fills with lots of water..    Research  the FodMap Diet,   which describes the foods most likely to trigger the liquid output.   I just thought my digenstion had changed,  but a visit to my gastro, gave me an instant diagnosis.    It's a trial and error  search, to see which foods trigger " the runs"/  w hich then eat away at the wafer...  (  It's like gastric acid)..   For me,  it's limiting artificial ( and reg sugars) fruits, beans and quite a few veggies..    What's left is not a healthy diet,  and I'm also Diabetic, so it's a balance.    But in the end, my goal is to keep the  wafer/ appliance on...   Too much gas, is a  symptom of "  I ate the wrong thing"..    I hope this helps   anyone who has this issue...    The  Stoma nurses I went too, were of no  help at all.  I've had 55 years of experience, and they didn't/ couldn't suggest, anything I hadn't tried...    Best of luck   Marsha

Reply by Bill, on Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:50 am
Puppyluv56 wrote:

Yay! It took a while but I found the code! 

I googled this and the example they gave was messed up but I got the gist of if. It is the Lot # on the side of the box. My lot is 8A06114. The first number is the year , 2018. The letter is the Month A=Jan B=Feb C=March and so on so mine is Jan of 2018. The next is the day of the month. This being the 6th and the last 114 is their machine code. So my box expires 5 years from Jan.,6th 2018. Can the make it any harder? Lol

pup


Hello Puppyluv. Thanks for this information. It never occurred to me before to look at the use-by date but after your post I couodn't resist. It turns out that here in the UK  Coloplast make it abundantly clear on their boxes by putting the full date of manufacture and use-by dates. They even have icons of a factory and an eggtimer!!

Best wishes

Bill 

Reply by w30bob, on Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:52 am
Immarsh wrote:

Hi,   Great Info from Bob.  He just about covered all bases.   But I know how you must feel.  I use to get 7-10  days out of my convex, convatec ileostomy wafer / pouch.   A bit less in the summer, when it was hot, or I did a lot of showering ( hot water  ?)   or swimming.   It would soften the wafer.    Ive learned to take shorter, hot showers..    But a few years ago,   I noticed that the lower part of my 55 year old stoma, was pulling further back into the skin, causing a " hollow/ dent" under the stoma..   Hence, the leaking started.   That's when  I started with the convex.  It helped somewhat.  Then I used more " stomahesive paste",  but the output leaked through that.   I used t he elkin seals, and sometimes it workes  and othertimes not.   Sometimes it stays on a week, other times, I need to change 3 x in one day..    New medical issues....lots of gas, and water/ like output..   Turns out to be similar to  IBS  ( Irritable Bowel Syndrom)   I've begun reacting to the sugars  ( even artificial ones) found in foods, fruits and veggies.   First it cause a lot of gas, and then the  body / instestine fills with lots of water..    Research  the FodMap Diet,   which describes the foods most likely to trigger the liquid output.   I just thought my digenstion had changed,  but a visit to my gastro, gave me an instant diagnosis.    It's a trial and error  search, to see which foods trigger " the runs"/  w hich then eat away at the wafer...  (  It's like gastric acid)..   For me,  it's limiting artificial ( and reg sugars) fruits, beans and quite a few veggies..    What's left is not a healthy diet,  and I'm also Diabetic, so it's a balance.    But in the end, my goal is to keep the  wafer/ appliance on...   Too much gas, is a  symptom of "  I ate the wrong thing"..    I hope this helps   anyone who has this issue...    The  Stoma nurses I went too, were of no  help at all.  I've had 55 years of experience, and they didn't/ couldn't suggest, anything I hadn't tried...    Best of luck   Marsha


Hi Marsha,

  To be honest, my experience with Ostomy Nurses has been spotty at best.  They've always been incredibly nice people......a few even gave me their home numbers and addresses in case I'm having a real problem and couldn't get to a doc or hospital.  How nice (and trusting) is that??  They do try hard, but without actually having the issues themselves they just don't gave a good feel for what we go thru.  And we all do the same to other folks who have issues we can't relate to. So I understand.  That doesn't help us.......but you have to give them an "A" for effort and appreciate their willingness to help.   Despite that, I still suggest people having issues contact an Ostomy Nurse.  Sometimes they do surprise and have an effective solution......so it's worth the effort to seek them out.  Ultimately our own care and well being is our responsibility, not theirs........so I find it's better to take the time to learn about the issue and understand what's involved and the current options, rather than just trust that a health professional will take care of my issue and I can focus on other things.  If find that has rarely, if ever, worked out as planned.   

  Sorry to hear about your IBS-like situation.  Sugars always trigger the water dump you describe, but other parts of the intestine are responsible for re-absorbing that water before it leaves your body.  From you brief description of the problem it sounds like the part of your intestine that re-absorbs the water isn't functioning well.  I'd be curious to hear what you find out is the cause for your situation......it could be a good piece of knowledge to tuck away for latter day use, if the situation arises.  Please let us know how you make out.  

regards,

bob

Reply by eddie, on Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:39 am
w30bob wrote:

Hi TTG,

  So.......all good info for sure.......but you're still probably sitting there saying "ok, but what do I do to stop the leaks?"  You're going to have to do a little investigating. You need to take note of where the the leaks are occuring.....is it always in the same area....or random?. If it's the same area then you have your first clue.  Next, when you remove your barrier you need to take notice of how well it's adhering to your skin. Is it adhering in spots.....or everywhere except where the leak is? Is your output going under your ring (are you using a ring) or is the ring breaking down? What is your skin like under your barrier? Do you have skin folds covered by your barrier? These are the kinds of questions your ostomy nurse will be asking you when you talk to them. The next time you change your barrier take a picture after each step of the removal so the nurse can see what you see. Your barrier will tell you why it's leaking, but you have to notice the details. And your ostomy nurse may see things that you don't notice or think are important. You should also reach out to the barrier manufacturer and show them your leak pics. They are a wealth of knowledge and have most likely seen your problem before.......so contact them. You can get there from here......it'll just take a little effort. So get on that!

Regards,

Bob


one thing that helped me is rings my stoma is inverted use Hollister Convex rings as well as convex barrier have had ileo for many years

Reply by eddie, on Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:43 am
w30bob wrote:
Immarsh wrote:

Hi,   Great Info from Bob.  He just about covered all bases.   But I know how you must feel.  I use to get 7-10  days out of my convex, convatec ileostomy wafer / pouch.   A bit less in the summer, when it was hot, or I did a lot of showering ( hot water  ?)   or swimming.   It would soften the wafer.    Ive learned to take shorter, hot showers..    But a few years ago,   I noticed that the lower part of my 55 year old stoma, was pulling further back into the skin, causing a " hollow/ dent" under the stoma..   Hence, the leaking started.   That's when  I started with the convex.  It helped somewhat.  Then I used more " stomahesive paste",  but the output leaked through that.   I used t he elkin seals, and sometimes it workes  and othertimes not.   Sometimes it stays on a week, other times, I need to change 3 x in one day..    New medical issues....lots of gas, and water/ like output..   Turns out to be similar to  IBS  ( Irritable Bowel Syndrom)   I've begun reacting to the sugars  ( even artificial ones) found in foods, fruits and veggies.   First it cause a lot of gas, and then the  body / instestine fills with lots of water..    Research  the FodMap Diet,   which describes the foods most likely to trigger the liquid output.   I just thought my digenstion had changed,  but a visit to my gastro, gave me an instant diagnosis.    It's a trial and error  search, to see which foods trigger " the runs"/  w hich then eat away at the wafer...  (  It's like gastric acid)..   For me,  it's limiting artificial ( and reg sugars) fruits, beans and quite a few veggies..    What's left is not a healthy diet,  and I'm also Diabetic, so it's a balance.    But in the end, my goal is to keep the  wafer/ appliance on...   Too much gas, is a  symptom of "  I ate the wrong thing"..    I hope this helps   anyone who has this issue...    The  Stoma nurses I went too, were of no  help at all.  I've had 55 years of experience, and they didn't/ couldn't suggest, anything I hadn't tried...    Best of luck   Marsha


Hi Marsha,

  To be honest, my experience with Ostomy Nurses has been spotty at best.  They've always been incredibly nice people......a few even gave me their home numbers and addresses in case I'm having a real problem and couldn't get to a doc or hospital.  How nice (and trusting) is that??  They do try hard, but without actually having the issues themselves they just don't gave a good feel for what we go thru.  And we all do the same to other folks who have issues we can't relate to. So I understand.  That doesn't help us.......but you have to give them an "A" for effort and appreciate their willingness to help.   Despite that, I still suggest people having issues contact an Ostomy Nurse.  Sometimes they do surprise and have an effective solution......so it's worth the effort to seek them out.  Ultimately our own care and well being is our responsibility, not theirs........so I find it's better to take the time to learn about the issue and understand what's involved and the current options, rather than just trust that a health professional will take care of my issue and I can focus on other things.  If find that has rarely, if ever, worked out as planned.   

  Sorry to hear about your IBS-like situation.  Sugars always trigger the water dump you describe, but other parts of the intestine are responsible for re-absorbing that water before it leaves your body.  From you brief description of the problem it sounds like the part of your intestine that re-absorbs the water isn't functioning well.  I'd be curious to hear what you find out is the cause for your situation......it could be a good piece of knowledge to tuck away for latter day use, if the situation arises.  Please let us know how you make out.  

regards,

bob

I am a nurse, still working 12 hour shifts full time, have had ileo for 18 years if I can help would answer any questions to best of my ability

Reply by w30bob, on Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:07 pm

Hi eddie!  Wow.........you're the second nurse with an ostomy on here!  That's awesome.  Looking forward to hearing your opinion on things!!

 

regards,

bob

Reply by eddie, on Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:36 am
w30bob wrote:

Hi eddie!  Wow.........you're the second nurse with an ostomy on here!  That's awesome.  Looking forward to hearing your opinion on things!!

 

regards,

bob


yes, at first it was really rough, my husband who I truly adored and love passed away 6 months before my ostomy, I had issues with leaking and everything else. So I try my best to help others through this so they won't have the problems as long.  I teach patients before and after surgery although  I am not an ostomy nurse I live with one every day!  Thank You

 

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