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Posted by Past Member, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:25 pm
my stoma nurse said we cant eat anthing raw, nuts. seeds.lettice. tomatoes or friut only bananas,,,,,
iv just read on a post that someone ate a salad sandwich, i would love to eat salad,

ANY IDEARS.
Reply by dsmithsc91, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:50 pm
I have a transverse colostomy and eat a salad that includes nuts on it almost everyday.  I haven't had any issues.  I eat fruit with seeds too.  Mostly strawberries.
Reply by **claire**, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:52 pm
Hi I had surgery in May 2010 I have recently started eatin lettuce, onion and peppers and had no problems.  I believe its just a case of trying certain foods and makin sure you chew food properly xx
Reply by three, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:55 pm
Hi maggie33 ~ Whenever someone gives me a rule, I always like to understand the "WHY?" behind that rule, and so you may want to ask your stoma nurse the reason(s) for her "No Raw Rule".  As for me, I have been on a mostly raw diet for almost 2 years after studying about the damaging effect heat has on many nutrients — I feel great and have absolutely no problems with blockages.
PJT
Reply by PJT, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:58 pm
You can absolutely eat salad! It was, and still is, one of my greatest food related pleasures after having my ostomy surgery. Prior to that I could never eat salad and if I tried to, there would be my undigested salad floating in the toilet shortly thereafter when I went to the bathroom. (Sorry to be so graphic). Just take it slow, chew carefully and drink plenty of fluids to help wash it down. I even eat popcorn, but the same rules apply...moderation, chew, chew, chew, and lots of fluids.  Buon appetito!
Past Member
Reply by Past Member, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:32 pm
I believe that most blockages occur with people who have had several surgeries on their colon, so they may have to limit the amount of fibrous foods (salad, nuts, raw vegetables) they eat.

Personally I eat everything an ileostomate apparently shouldn't including salads, nuts, seeds and popcorn, don't chew my food any more than normal, don't drink a lot of fluids, and have not suffered any ill effects since my surgery in November 2008 (this was also my first and only surgery).

Try a small salad and see how you go, it's all just trial and error.  I got the go-ahead from my surgeon whilst in hospital to eat whatever and whenever I wanted and have done exactly that.  I am healthier (and heavier!) than I have ever been, even before I developed Crohn's disease 20 years ago.

Eat, drink and be merry!
Cheers,
Jo x  
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Reply by Past Member, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:12 pm
wow thanks everyone, im going shopping in the morning and will buy salad stuff, i will try a little and see how i go on,
oh my stoma nurse said i cant eat any thing raw because my body cant digest it now and it will cause blockages,
forgot to ask about mushrooms she said no to them also,

PS IV HAD ALL MY COLON TAKEN OUT. I HAVE AN ILEOSTOMY.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE,
Reply by lottagelady, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:10 pm
                                 
maggie33 wrote:
wow thanks everyone, im going shopping in the morning and will buy salad stuff, i will try a little and see how i go on,
oh my stoma nurse said i cant eat any thing raw because my body cant digest it now and it will cause blockages,
forgot to ask about mushrooms she said no to them also,

PS IV HAD ALL MY COLON TAKEN OUT. I HAVE AN ILEOSTOMY.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE,



Rubbish, where does she get all that from? We are all different so a bit of trial and error will be required - maybe keep a food diary of what happens when you introduce something new, but as everybody has said, what she has told you isn't really the case at all .....  When I am not feeling nauseous (which at the moment is just about 24/7!) I can eat virtually anything - the more fibrous it is, the thicker my output .... but if I eat it at dinner nowadays it pops my bag off overnight, so things are changing with me.

But when I am 'well' (which is never really but I do/did have better days when I can feel normal-ish ...) I start the day with a huge bowl full of home made sugar free granola with oats, rye, wheatgerm, raisins, figs, apricots, dried blueberries and cranberries, sunflower and pumpkin seeds, linseeds and a portion of fresh fruit - it really fills me up ....

As for salad, I prefer salad to most veggies anyway so would have that in preference to veg for a meal (cauliflower though thickens things up loads) Lettuce tends to come through undigested but has never blocked me up (actually the only thing that has is when I overdosed on lots of nuts and raisins, forgetting about the ileo until it was too late ...!)

I am a bit like Jo - don't chew anymore than normal really, except maybe my breakfast subconsciously - and mushrooms, I put into everything!

Good look with tomorrow's salad!

Rach xxx
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Reply by Past Member, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:22 pm
aw thanks rach, im going show my stoma nurse these answers on thursday,
i will let you know how i get on,

cant beleive you eat nuts and mushrooms, yummy im looking foreward to trying them too.
hope you feel better soon, its awful to be in pain day in day out, big (((((((((((hug))))))))))
Reply by Grammybec, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:16 pm
I don't eat much lettuce, but when I want a salad, I buy the chopped head lettuce for tacos.  It satisfies my graving and when I chew it well, it doesn't seem to cause problems.  I did notice that tomatoes and mushrooms, don't digest well, but I eat them in moderation...just hate to give them up.  I agree it is trial and error when it comes to what is going to bother each of us.  There will probably be something that you will have to give up eating, but you won't know until you try it...gummy bears is one thing that I found didn't digest very well... Bon Appetite
Reply by Tiggy, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:36 pm
My husband had a total colectomy because of ulcerative colitis two years ago, and he eats salad rather often. Everyone's body is different, and we all react to food in different ways, but I don't think I've ever met an ostomate who literally cannot eat a salad with their dinner. Naturally, take it slow anytime you introduce a new food, and chew very well!
Reply by bes0642, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:28 pm
"I'V HAD ALL MY COLON TAKEN OUT. I HAVE AN ILEOSTOMY " (I have as well for 5 years now.)

Maggie:
I eat nuts, popcorn, mushrooms. I go lightly on the salads because it gasses me up. As for mushrooms, "I'm not sure they even slow down as they go thru" Ha!   I really think the key is CHEW, CHEW, CHEW and drink plenty of liquids (this is very important). Thank God I've been fortunate in 5 years I've had no blockages. ENJOY food and remember try new things slowly and in moderation.

Happy New Year to all


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Reply by weewee, on Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:12 pm
yes i would have to agree veggies means lots of gas for me to much fiber lots of gas my gaseroligist gave me a list of foods that are way gassy and said eat one thing at atime to see what bothers you and if it dont then happydays and since i quit eating veggies i realy dont have the gassy or bloating they caused
Reply by WOUNDED DOE, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:36 am
Hi Maggie Smile  ileostomate of 34 years here....I eat LOTS of salads and raw veggies but I just chew it all very, very good.  I eat nuts and popcorn and pretty much everything I was long ago told I shouldn't lol  Smile  and have few probs.   Everyone is different hun, you are likely to have more gas or possibly a little prob with things not wanting to pass through if you're not careful, ...so if you experiment just take it easy, try things in small portions and really chew it well if you do.   Personally I seem to have more problems if I eat large portions of mashed potatoes or a ton of mushrooms, wow, tummy ache for Doe time lol ....but being the Doe that I am, I do it again and again.   If you're really wanting a salad, try a teeny bit at first but be careful SmileSmileSmile
Reply by margie, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:46 am
hi i also agree with everyone that you could try things slowly and see how you go. i had colon cancer which is why i had most of my colon removed and have recenty been changing my diet to include a lot of ant-cancer foods this includes lots of veg and fruit. had raspberries yesterday and was ok with them. i think it is important to stay healthy and eat healthy foods  so i'm glad you got such a positive response here and good advice. good luck
marge
Reply by WOUNDED DOE, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:53 am
                                 
margie wrote:
hi i also agree with everyone that you could try things slowly and see how you go. i had colon cancer which is why i had most of my colon removed and have recenty been changing my diet to include a lot of ant-cancer foods this includes lots of veg and fruit. had raspberries yesterday and was ok with them. i think it is important to stay healthy and eat healthy foods  so i'm glad you got such a positive response here and good advice. good luck
marge



You are right Margie and everyone needs the nutrition and anti-oxys big time....and then of course there is one of the best kitchen friends we all can possibly have.......the juicer!! SmileSmileSmile  ...mix the potent wonderful veggies and fruits together and cheers!! SmileSmile
Reply by mooza, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:17 am
Hey maggie I eat everthing as well and No colkon Permanent ileostomy as well i do get a few bllockages but i dont chew enough i guess i dont eat many nutsanyway. I also Drink alcohol and anything in between i think my Obdtructions are from scar tissue problems or i look at foo likr right now i want a peach i just bought het its worth a little pain or not Cool mare      -  mooza
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Reply by Past Member, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:31 am
I've been wondering about lettuce, not had it in nearly 5 years, and eat other salad foods including radish, and spring onions, we grow our own veg in a small way, so feel obliged to eat them too!
The only thing I've had a blockage with,  is a slice of mushroom, which became stuck for several hours, scary!  now I grate them, and had no more trouble. If you eat beetroot, don't worry that you are bleeding to death, it's just the colour going through, very quickly too!!
A Happy New Year to you all, may you  have a good and healthy 2011, and a big thankyou for such wonderful friends on this site.
Reply by WOUNDED DOE, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:21 am
                                 
Florrie wrote:
I've been wondering about lettuce, not had it in nearly 5 years, and eat other salad foods including radish, and spring onions, we grow our own veg in a small way, so feel obliged to eat them too!
The only thing I've had a blockage with,  is a slice of mushroom, which became stuck for several hours, scary!  now I grate them, and had no more trouble. If you eat beetroot, don't worry that you are bleeding to death, it's just the colour going through, very quickly too!!
A Happy New Year to you all, may you  have a good and healthy 2011, and a big thankyou for such wonderful friends on this site.


Regarding the mushrooms Smile  YES grating is a super idea!!  In fact I forgot to mention in my post that the only way I can now eat mushrooms is if I chop them into TEENY pieces....one of my favorite things to eat lately is home-made mushroom soup, a recipe from one of my best friends, I am addicted to mushroom soup lol...and I can eat bowl after bowl as long as the mushrooms are TINY bits....then no trouble at all SmileSmile
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Reply by Past Member, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:34 am
THANK YOPU EVERYONE, bless you bes0642, well done on no blockages,
im trying new things today, iv been shopping and im having a small shicken salad for my tea,   
so thank you again everyone, i really appreciate all the advice from you, keep well.maggie.
Past Member
Reply by Past Member, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:50 pm
Lies!! Eat whatever you want!! When I had the bag I would eat nuts, popcorn, salads, whatever I wanted.
I now have a Continent Ileostomy, so I can't eat lettuce because it will stick to the tube I use to catheterize my pouch, but when you have an end ileostomy, that is not a problem. The problem will happen when you don't chew your food well. If you are worried about food getting caught up, just don't eat a huge quantity, chew it well, and drink something like grape juice or prune juice to loosen up the stool.
cpk
Reply by cpk, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:09 pm
Just chew it thoughly.  I eat anything except brocolli or calliflower because I hate it!  E.G. for nuts make it into peanut butter before you swallow and good luck!
Past Member
Reply by Past Member, on Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:44 pm
I do not eat salad or fruit on an empty stomach; I always eat a couple of bites of something else first.  This has worked for me for 6 years.....hope this helps you too!!  I eat nuts on an empty stomach, not a lot, but I need the protein.
Reply by Immarsh, on Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:10 am
Hi,

I've had my ostomy for more than 45 years, way before they ever had "stoma nurses".  

My doctor at the time told me to try different foods, to see how they agree with me.  So that's what I've been doing for all these years.   I've found that some ( raw) foods agree with me, and others don't.  I can't eat raw carrots, or celery, but can eat lettuce, tomatoe, cucumbers, onions.  I often have salad, but am careful not to have it on an empty stomach ( or I get the "runs") and I don't have a lot of it, too late at night.    As for nuts, some are better than others.  I don't have a problem with cashews, but sometimes other nuts cause problems so I avoid them.  I can eat cooked cabbage that's shredded, and cole slaw, but not raw cabbage in salads.   I can't  digest  raw or cooked whole leaf spinach, but chopped spinach isn't a problem.   As time has gone by, I've developed some problems digesting foods I used to be able to eat.  So the best advice I can give you is to try small amounts of new foods to determine what works for you.  

Write if you have any other questions.

Marsha
Gus
Reply by Gus, on Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:03 am
There is really only 1 rule with an Ileostomy. Trial and error. try and eat everything and you will work out pretty quickly what you can and can't eat. I shouldnt eat peanuts but i do. they block me big time. just as it's been said in the posts, lotsa water. You are meant to have a better lease of life after surgery not be bound to the whims of some outrageous diet.
Reply by WOUNDED DOE, on Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:26 am
                                 
Gus wrote:
There is really only 1 rule with an Ileostomy. Trial and error. try and eat everything and you will work out pretty quickly what you can and can't eat. I shouldnt eat peanuts but i do. they block me big time. just as it's been said in the posts, lotsa water. You are meant to have a better lease of life after surgery not be bound to the whims of some outrageous diet.


Said quite perfectly Steve! Wink Smile
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Reply by Past Member, on Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:11 am
thanks everone, i had a eautiful salad yesterday and again today, no probs what so ever, im so please,
but it just goes to show, if it wasnt for this forum i would never had tried,as my stoma nurse said no to all raw foods, im going to tyy a little hand full of nuts today and see if thats ok,   
thank you every one im so happy i love salad, maggie,
Reply by beyondpar, on Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:27 am
Mag,
  the lesson here is that Ostomates KNOW it all....Because we live it on a daily basis..........While doctors think they know it all  they dont,  and WOCN  's  try and are our best advocate in our journey,  they too dont know it all.  And lastly  it is us........all of us on this forum  where all the answers you could ever hope for are.........There is more absolute truths on here than you can ever find from any medical person.....PERIOD
Past Member
Reply by Past Member, on Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:45 pm
your right, thank you,
Reply by WOUNDED DOE, on Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:12 pm
                                 
beyondpar wrote:
Mag,
  the lesson here is that Ostomates KNOW it all....Because we live it on a daily basis..........While doctors think they know it all  they dont,  and WOCN  's  try and are our best advocate in our journey,  they too dont know it all.  And lastly  it is us........all of us on this forum  where all the answers you could ever hope for are.........There is more absolute truths on here than you can ever find from any medical person.....PERIOD



BRAVO!!!!   SO true!!!  .....and I have 34 years of having an ostomy to slam my hand down on the table and agree with Michael 100%   ...and I have had a few doctors ( and trust me I've seen MANY doctors in my day) who have actually told me this same thing...now that is something I personally doubt many doctors will do, admit to their lack of personal knowledge on so many of our issues, in fact one of my Marshfield Doctors said he has much to learn from his Ostomate Patients.
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