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Fecal matter stuck at top of bag

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Posted by Past Member, on Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:16 pm
Does anyone else have the fecal matter get stuck at the top of the bag, making it difficult to empty?  Please give me suggestions.
Reply by mooza, on Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:06 pm
I dont but it does happen try baby oil or Hollister 78500 its a deodorant and a lubricant i do a little work for my ostomy assoc, so i am privvy to a lot of new things and i work with mostly people with colostomys i have an ileostomy so a lot more fluid but i use these gel to thicken the water so i dont get the slish slosh lol  hope this was some help to you cheers MOOZA AUST Bummwer winter has started here happy summer to U ,x
Reply by Penguins7, on Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:24 pm
It happens to me sometimes but like Mooza says use baby oil or Hollister lube as this will help gravity does what it does.  I also put a little bit of air in my bag and this really help.  Crack the top open a bit and blow as hard as you can and air will get in bag.  Good luck.  Rod
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Reply by Past Member, on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:40 am
cooking spray (yes, as in Pam) is another fix.
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Reply by Past Member, on Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:58 am
Not to sound gross (aww heck we`re all in the sh!t right?lol) happens, esp if I eat a lot of carbs, i.e. pasta, potao etc. makes for very "pasty" poo as opposed to a diet with a good amount of roughage, i.e. veggies, slald etc. When it gets all stuck near the top or impacted all around the stoma I simply use my fingers (with the pough still on!) to work the mess downward. Try grasping a portion of the bag with one and and drawing the pouch thru the thumb and index finger of the other hand and just work the mess down. For poo stuck near the stoma I`ll use my index fingers to work the mess out of that area. For poo stuck below the flange portion of the bag again either thumb/index or index/middle fingers of both hands to work everything down
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Reply by Past Member, on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:14 pm
it doesn't sound gross; in the shit? i say welcome to the craptastic.

not everyone is always so keen on making a manual manipulation even if its through the bag. even with some sort of lubricant, sometimes it's unavoidable otherwise prepare for the eventual breach.
Reply by Mrs.A, on Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:11 pm
Baby oil gel also help when I first put on a clean pouch. Before I take off the paper to expose the adhesive I use a q-tip to apply it and between emptying if needed I use mineral oil.
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Reply by Past Member, on Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:33 am
I have a ileostomy ,but I keep a cup for water to wash out my bag when it gets to messy. when I'm out I'll use a cup from a fast food restaurant and take it with me to the restroom,and fill it with water.
Reply by Penguins7, on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:32 am
Do you remove the bag and rinse or just open from bottom and pour water in?  I did that and my wafer seemed to get wet and leak as a result.  Penguins7
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Reply by Past Member, on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:42 am
Not only do i pour it in, i'll swish it around for a good rinsing.
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Reply by Past Member, on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:37 am
I had a drain able bag ,and open the end and swished it around..I had a good seal and didn't have much problem with leek age, I also wear a elastic belt so I can tighten it. just happen every once in awhile.
Reply by Oceanblue, on Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:38 am
Yes I have that problem, because my belt line is on or below the stoma.  this creates a bit of a restriction especially if the belt is tight.   I also think the design of many bags having a lot of material above the stoma for the filter makes it worse.   I usually push it down by manipulating from the outside of the bag.   As others have said, the diet can make the build up worse.
Reply by WOUNDED DOE, on Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:36 pm
Using fingers to manipulate outside of bag usually works good.......I have also done the swishy water thing using a dixie cup of water poured inside, slosh it around, then empty......but I haven't had too much trouble with that since I have an ileo rather than a colostomy..........however.......back in the days when I ate more breads and pastas and such that problem would sometimes occur, I would take a bit of vaseline and rub in on the inside of a NEW bag before I put it on Smile ......I also tried baby oil in the past but it never failed to get out the tape and losen the seal and the bag Sad ...that is actually when I decided to try the Vaseline idea.........luckilly I've not had to do that in a very long time since I have experimented more with my diet, I drink more water and tea and that also helps.... but I also have less intestine nowadays so all output is thinner.  Good luck with that SmileSmile
Reply by Jer, on Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:14 pm
I'm only three weeks with having a colostomy on Friday. I'm very new to this. However, I felt that I should mention my experience since I'm learning my supplies. The one piece doesn't give me any problems at the top of the appliance. However, I just put on a two-piece appliance where it immediately began to keep "matter" at the top of the bag within the flange area. The one piece and two piece are both from Hollister. I have a kit from coloplast that will be tried as well. They only sent me a two piece trial kit. When I go back to work, I will be using what I'm most familiar with, which is what I wore home from the hospital, the one piece Hollister that is transparent in the front. I do hope to begin irrigating once my wounds are healed. I want to thank all of you for being so helpful and sharing your experiences. It has made a huge difference even before I knew I would have an ostomy! Please, feel free to give me advice as I do try new supplies. I'm very fortunate with getting supplies being that I do have great insurance. So, if there's any ideas for me, please feel free to share them with me.
Reply by Penguins7, on Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:32 am
Are you saying the baby oil created a leak path in the wafer?  The Vaseline is a great idea.  Thanks.  Rod
Reply by Penguins7, on Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:35 am
Hey Jer.  All the best to you.  I am only a few months into this also and it takes some time.  I have never tried the one piece but the 2 piece bags have excess material at the top which get baggy and creates the pancaking.  I am working on a prototype for a stoma flow guard to wear to prevent the waist line from restricting flow in the bag.  Rod
Reply by moonshine, on Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:27 am
I purchased an item that connects to the toilet and is a wand or sprayer that you control and it will rinse the bag....If you look up portable bidet you will find many kinds. Because toilets (at least mine) is only cold water, I would not suggest using it anywhere else. It has cut down on the amount of toilet paper I use to clean the bottom of my bag. I like to wear tight jeans, skirts, etc....I empty my bag at least every hour...the devise also helps clean the toilet.
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Reply by Past Member, on Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:03 pm
Good idea! I never knew they made these..Thanks
Reply by WOUNDED DOE, on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:39 am
Penguins7 wrote:
Are you saying the baby oil created a leak path in the wafer?  The Vaseline is a great idea.  Thanks.  Rod

Hi Smile ....yeah, for me it did.  Baby oil does work for a lot of people it seems, but I'm just one of the few who had probs with it....any liquid oil lifts up my tape it seems, no matter how careful I am....the vaseline made it all sooooo much easier and it never lifted nor oiled up nor weakened the barrier nor tape........great stuff........

Nothin' sticks to vaseline lol and it seems to last longer inside the pouch........Vaseline is kinda like Duct tape, it's good for so many things lol, heck it's even great for greasing up a metal bird feeder pole so squirrels can't climb up it to get the bird seed.........(this is way off subject I know but I cannot help mention it because there is an ongoing prank one of my girlfriends has been pulling and caught on film regarding a persistent squirrel and his seemingly endless attempts to make it to the bird feeder, but now that it's greased with something that cannot harm him, he leaps.......he spins .....he rotates..... he slides forever downward.....just like a little Fireman down the metal pole.....all four legs wrapped around tight.....and he tries time, after time to no avail, but now we think he does it simply out of fun Very Happy ...... it's been nearly a month since she Vaselined the heck out of that metal bird feeder pole and it still works LOL!!!) .......we tease about writing a book "100 Uses for Vaseline" HA!!  Including preventing wasp nests or hives to stick to homes, prevents big wolf spiders from webbing across the house and garage eves, ...and at least 96 other things yup......even helps inside an osty pouch to make things slide with ease Very Happy

~Everybody's GOofy Doe Wink
Reply by Penguins7, on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:23 pm
Hi Doe,  Thanks for your tip on Vaseline and I am glad I am not a squirrel.  I have had a terrible time recently with wafers lasting only a day or 2 at most.  I use Vaseline each time I empty the pouch.  I was advised not to use the 3M barrier film as creates a layer of material and wafer does not stick real well to it.  I will try no baby oil and hopefully have better success.  Good luck to you in the future.  Rod
Reply by Penguins7, on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:27 pm
Doe,  I meant to say I use oil every time I empty the pouch not Vaseline.  Rod
Reply by jodie, on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:44 am
Moonshine, is the sprayer easy to hook up?
Reply by Mrs.A, on Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:41 pm
Will have to give the petroleum jelly a try. Baby oil in the gel form works well but petroleum jelly is thicker so will try this too. Thanks Doe~
God Bless you!
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Reply by Past Member, on Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:11 pm
I do exactly what "bluegenes" does. I take a cup of water and rinse my ileostomy pouch out. Nobody notices you carrying a cup, thanks to all the coffee drinkers!. And you can get really fast at filling it and getting on with business. This has worked for me for almost 48 years. GAWD, that sounds like I am OLD! I am, sort of. I am a senior citizen at age 67 and I am a senior ostomate, 47 years. BTW...I am on facebook as well, started a ostomy senior group. We are small but we're a good group.
Reply by TacoMonster, on Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:23 pm
Two things that work for me:

1) A q-tip, through the flange end, easily directs the pancake over the flange lip and down towards the drain-hole.  Takes about a minute, but carry something to wrap around the used q-tip before tossing it in the trash.

2) The heart of the pancake effect is appears to be the need for more moisture in the stool.  I.E.  drink more liquid, more often.  Check your literature for other foods that will aborb moisture.  An occasional shot (packet) of Miralax will also help - it is not a stimulant, just helps add bulk.

Prior to my colostomy I've had life long constipation, and normally took a non-stimulant colase a day and anywhere from half a dose to a full dose of Miralax each day (possible when you buy the larger containers instead of packets).  I thought maybe the constipation would go away with the surgery, but apparently the pancaking is telling me that's not the case.
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