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Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:22 am
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Hi Guys,

  Looking to hear from my high output buddies who are using the Colo Sensura Mio Convex Flip 2-piece..........or 1 piece, as the bag is the same size.  I just started using the samples they sent me the other day in a quest to try something other than the Hollister stuff I've been using since getting my front-butt 7 years ago.  As I've posted I've been dealing with skin irritation under and around my barrier, and have eliminated all causes except the Hollister barrier material.  So now I'm trying the Mio Convex, the star shaped plastic barrier.  My first attempt ended in failure as I failed to notice the tangs for the belt are on the barrier, not on the bag like Hollister, so the barrier orientation has to be correct or you can't wear the belt.  I didn't notice that and after I stuck my barrier on realized the belt tangs were perfectly vertical, not horizontal.  Not wanting to wear the belt as a suspender I had to rip that one off and wait for another day.  Which was yesterday.  This time I paid attention and got it stuck on just right........with the tangs horizontal. 

Then I put the bag on............and rolled up the end like 4 times to close it with those stupid little velcro arms. The closure system leaves a lot to be desired for a high output person, but  I guess for someone who only empties a couple times a day it's fine.  But the real problem is the bag is so small!!  It holds like half what my Hollister bag held.  I mean it's pretty chic system, the bag feels nice, has a vent and can completely roll up out of the way for wearing your shirt outside your pants...........but it doesn't hold much?  Which for a high outputer means my previous frequent bag emptyings now just increased even more!  I mean who designed this thing?  On the plus side it will force me to eat smaller portions and drink less, but now I have to check this thing constantly, and emptying is way more of a mess than the simple Hollister clip method.  I mean if I fall asleep after eating I'm waking up to a friggin' mess, no doubt about it.  

I checked the Colo catalog, and will call the osto-assistant tomorrow, but don't see any larger bags.  I mean this is a show stopper for me, and with my luck my skin will love the barrier material, but I'll be stuck spending my waking hours emptying this stupid thing.  So I'm curious what the other high output folks are doing about this, if anything.  With their bag attachment clamp system I can't retrofit anything to it, but I'm trying.  If someone built a better mousetrap please let me know. Otherwise I'll just keep standing here banging my head against the wall.  UGH!

;0)

bob

 

 

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Axl
Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:38 pm

Hi Bob

I dont have the issues you speak of but I have some Colo samples to try out one day.

But I just cant go there because of the closure system, its a shocker compared to the fastner on what I use now.

Bag looks good, just let down by the two tiny velcro tags.

 

Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:22 pm

Hey Bob!  I was set up with holister right after surgery.  The bag was too big and leaked all the time.  I switched to coloplast sensura mio 11474.  I have fairly high output and the Velcro bottom works like a charm.  I was hesitant at first but no issues.  I really like the two piece as it has a lock clip to secure the bag to the flange.  Maybe give it a try!  Good luck.

Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:23 pm

Hey Bob!  I was set up with holister right after surgery.  The bag was too big and leaked all the time.  I switched to coloplast sensura mio 11474.  I have fairly high output and the Velcro bottom works like a charm.  I was hesitant at first but no issues.  I really like the two piece as it has a lock clip to secure the bag to the flange.  Maybe give it a try!  Good luck.

Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:51 pm

Hi Bob, 

I  am not sure what you consider high output, but I have been using Coloplast since day one, which was about 9 yrs ago, not counting my first ostomy in 2004.

I  love the velcro closure. When Those crazy clips would land on the floor of some public restroom,  I did not want to use it again, now no worries. 

I  also actually looked for the shortest pouch I could find. When having leak issues and itching under barrier,  I did everything to stay with Coloplast instead of other companies. I  empty about 10-12 times a day because I don't like the feeling of too much in the pouch.

I  have used the winged barrier you are referring to, but go back to the regular convex oval shaped barrier.  

Hope this helps.

Elaine 

Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:17 pm

Hey Bob ...I tried sen convex flip also several weeks ago . One had a filter ...I called them and they sent different ones as the filter ring inside  gets clogged with my high output . The next had no ring filter , but also was too small and every  hour I was dumping . Then they sent me a larger bad with no filter ..yippie , until I opened it and it had hard plug at the bottom and I hated it with fear it would open . So , I have to stick with my hollister until they make a new one . ..I was told they are working on it ,yeah ...right ? I hope so cause I love the nice gray silky bag . 
let me know if you find a different solution for us high outs folks 

Ritz

MBT
Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:56 pm

If your skin does not like Hollister's adhesive, but you prefer that pouch style, could you try using the Coloplast Brava sheets in between as a buffer?

 

Or, Coloplast makes high output pouches with a "spigot" type end...you could snip off the spigot and use a clamp instead. I do that with my high output patients who prefer a clamp or who have output that is just a bit too thick for the spigot.

Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:58 am


Axl wrote:

Hi Bob

I dont have the issues you speak of but I have some Colo samples to try out one day.

But I just cant go there because of the closure system, its a shocker compared to the fastner on what I use now.

Bag looks good, just let down by the two tiny velcro tags.

 

Hi Axl,

  I hear ya Bro........it is a stupid closure system.  Not to mention messy.  I was even looking to see if I could snip off the end and use my Hollister clip instead, but you can't.  I was talking to Colo today and they do make a larger bag, but it has an even nuttier closure system.  It's really a urostomy bag with a slightly larger funnel on the end.  But there may be room to clip the funnel off and use my Hollister clip.  We'll see when they get here.

  Now to be fair the whole Colo system is a bit more 'high class' than the Hollister stuff.  The bag feels chic and just of higher quality all around.  I have the opaque bags, which have a filter (that I don't need), but also a viewing port to see what's going on, if need be, and you can fold the bag completely up if you don't have a lot of output.  Overall I'd say it's a nice system, just not for what ailes me.  

  One thing to note is that unlike the Hollister system, where the mounting tabs for the belt are on the bag...........on the Colo they're on the barrier.  So you can't just slap the barrier on in any orientation........like I mistakenly did on my first try.  I was thinking I was all done, put the bag on....and then tried to put the belt on.  Except I stuck the bag on me with the belt tabs in a vertical position, not horizontal.  Sample #1 right down the drain.  Note to self......don't do that again!   I've also found their rings are very different from Hollisters.  The Colo rings expand when they come in contact to output..........whereas the Hollisters don't.  That luckily turned out to be a good thing for my scenario, but others should now about that. 

  On the positive side.......wearing a much smaller bag is making me pay more attention to how much I eat and drink, and when.  Something I planned to do down the road, so it just nudged my schedule up a bit.  It's always something.................

 

;0)

bob 

 

Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:54 am


Gemini16 wrote:

Hey Bob!  I was set up with holister right after surgery.  The bag was too big and leaked all the time.  I switched to coloplast sensura mio 11474.  I have fairly high output and the Velcro bottom works like a charm.  I was hesitant at first but no issues.  I really like the two piece as it has a lock clip to secure the bag to the flange.  Maybe give it a try!  Good luck.

Hi Gemini,

  As I was telling Axl, the Mio is a nice system, just not as convenient for my situation.  With the bigger Hollister bag I was emptying it maybe 15 to 20 times a day.  Now with the smaller Mio bag I've had to up that number significantly.  When you empty it that many times a day those little velcro tabs become a pain in the ass to deal with.  With the Hollister clip I could simply pop it off, do the two finger squeegee thing to the bag and re-clip.......and be done literally 5 seconds.  The Mio is more complicated.  And by the time you roll up the end 4 times you've lost a good portion of the bag volume.  It's nice that the bag sits higher from a fashion standpoint, but at this point I've got a full wardrobe of long shirts......so that feature doesn't gain me much. 

  The purpose of my trying the Mio is to address some skin irritation issues under my barrier.  If the Mio helps in that regard I'll shut up and deal with the small bag.......although I do have the larger urostomy-style bags on the way.  Part of my bitching is that I've used the Hollister system so long it's engrained in my thinking.  Anything else that's different registers as 'wrong' until I get used to it.  Which is what I'm doing now with the Mio.  

  One weird thing about the Mio.........I'm using the Convex Flip with the 5 'fingers' around the periphery.......the barrier itself is a semi-flexible plastic, where the Hollister is a cloth bandage.  The Mio does a great job of gripping a domed surface around the stoma, but my bulge isn't that pronounced.  But it IS when I remove the Mio.....because the Mio, by way of its shape, actually creates the size bulge it needs to fit properly.  So I did a double-take when I removed if for the first time after wearing it for 3 days..........as I had a much larger and pronounced bulge........until my skin slowly went back to it's flatter shape.  But I tried the non-convex Mio and that needs a very flat surface, or it doesn't work.  So it's like Goldilocks......the convex flip is too much, the regular Mio is too little........and there's nothing in the middle.  But the flip is working so far............so I'll keep my fingers crossed!!!

 

;0)

bob

Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:08 am


Tangleloft 06 wrote:

Hi Bob, 

I  am not sure what you consider high output, but I have been using Coloplast since day one, which was about 9 yrs ago, not counting my first ostomy in 2004.

I  love the velcro closure. When Those crazy clips would land on the floor of some public restroom,  I did not want to use it again, now no worries. 

I  also actually looked for the shortest pouch I could find. When having leak issues and itching under barrier,  I did everything to stay with Coloplast instead of other companies. I  empty about 10-12 times a day because I don't like the feeling of too much in the pouch.

I  have used the winged barrier you are referring to, but go back to the regular convex oval shaped barrier.  

Hope this helps.

Elaine 

Hi Elaine,

  I hear ya, I've accidentally flushed a clip down the toilet once.........so having a closure system that can't fall off is a nice-to-have.  I'm with you on staying with what you have.......but at this point I've addressed all the other possible dermatological causes that could be affecting my skin and changing barrier material is my last solution to try.  When I pulled the Mio off this morning after wearing it 3 days..........I only get 2 days max out of the Hollister........parts of my peristomal skin didn't look all that happy......but one try does not eliminate a possible solution.  Talking to Coloplast today they told me to give my skin at least 3 barrier changes to see if it calms down.......so I'll do that.  It's also another data point to give to my Dermatologist for her to ponder.  As I told the Axe-man above......l do like the Coloplast rings.  I ordered a few different sizes today, and if I have to go back to Hollister barriers I'm going to see if the Coloplast rings are compatible. 

  I actually cut off the ends of the 5 fingers of the convex Mio, as they really don't serve a purpose and I want to limit contact with my skin as much as possible.  When I tried the non-convex flip style you're using I found the skin around my stoma was a bit too domed to it to work, and since it can't stretch like the Hollister bandage it just didn't stick well to my shape.  But if it's working for you that's awesome!!!  And it is neat the way you can fold the bag up almost all the way with that little velcro tab in the middle of the bag........very smart idea.  You can tell some thinking went into the Coloplast Sensura Mio products.  Thanks for your reply!!

;0)

bob

Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:20 am


Ritz wrote:

Hey Bob ...I tried sen convex flip also several weeks ago . One had a filter ...I called them and they sent different ones as the filter ring inside  gets clogged with my high output . The next had no ring filter , but also was too small and every  hour I was dumping . Then they sent me a larger bad with no filter ..yippie , until I opened it and it had hard plug at the bottom and I hated it with fear it would open . So , I have to stick with my hollister until they make a new one . ..I was told they are working on it ,yeah ...right ? I hope so cause I love the nice gray silky bag . 
let me know if you find a different solution for us high outs folks 

Ritz

Hey Ritzer,

  Yes, M'aam to all that!  I was looking at the filter and it's internal ring this morning after I removed my barrier.  And I was surprised at how full that inner filter ring was.  Alarmingly so.  I don't need a filter, but figured it wouldn't do any harm.........but had I tried to get another day out of it........there may have been an issue.  Bingo on the extra emptying..........a real pain in the arse.  I find myself constantly checking my bag level with my right hand all day long, so as not to overfill it.  And yeah, I did see the bigger bags I ordered had that silly hard funnel at the bottom.  I asked the gal if they were really for ileos and not urostomies......and she assured me they were.  But when I asked her what happens if a don't chew well and a big chunk of something can't fit thru the funnel.........then what do I do?  She didn't have a good answer.  I'm hoping when it gets here that at least the funnel hole will be BIG.  If not it might be a non-starter.  Unless.......I can clip off the hard funnel and use my Hollister clip.  I'm hoping that's the case, as I can just imagine what happens if I bump my partially full bag on something..........and the little funnel tip pops out!!!  

Yeah, the bag material is pretty sweet.........better than the Hollister stuff.  Just seems like higher quality overall.....but then again, it's under my shirt all day.....no one will ever see it. But I do like the little flap you can lift up to see what's going on inside.  Didn't think I'd use it, but I do like to check on things every now and then.  Another good idea!!  Roger that.........I'll let you know if I find a better mousetrap!!!  

 

Thanks,

bob

Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:38 am


MBT wrote:

If your skin does not like Hollister's adhesive, but you prefer that pouch style, could you try using the Coloplast Brava sheets in between as a buffer?

 

Or, Coloplast makes high output pouches with a "spigot" type end...you could snip off the spigot and use a clamp instead. I do that with my high output patients who prefer a clamp or who have output that is just a bit too thick for the spigot.

Hi MBT,

  As Gordon Lightfood so elequently wrote....."If you could read my mind girl, what a tale my heart would tell".  I'm right there with ya on the "clip that damn funnel off and Holister clip that bitch to death!!" thing!  I'm walking around right now with my little curved scissors in my pocket........just waiting for the idiot Amazon driver to drive by my place a few times until I go out there and stand in front of one of my three BIG house number signs and flag him down.  Then Joe Idiot will stop and ask me if the house behind me is 45882....with the house number sign right in plain view.  I'll say "yup, this is the place", and then he'll say "I had a hard time finding it".  At which point I usually point to all THREE places where my house numbers are displayed in BIG REFLECTIVE NUMBERS......and he'll then give me that deer-in-the-headlights look and hop back in his truck.  But lately I've just said "yup" and shake my head and walk away.  Cuz as Forrest Gump said........"you can't fix stupid".  Why anyone would pay those idiots $15 an hour is so beyond my level of comprehension I don't waste time thinking about it.  

On the other hand, if I keep the funnel spigot I guess I could draw with my output..........like they write on a birthday cake.  Just grab the bag above the funnel and squeeze!  I can spell BOB in shit!  I bet the little girls across the street will be amazed by that!!!  As long as no one thinks it's chocolate..........................

 

;0)

bob

Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:40 am


Axl wrote:

Hi Bob

I dont have the issues you speak of but I have some Colo samples to try out one day.

But I just cant go there because of the closure system, its a shocker compared to the fastner on what I use now.

Bag looks good, just let down by the two tiny velcro tags.

 

Is Colo the same as Coloplast? I have ilieostomy with high output. I tried this one but unfortunately used the one with no convexity and had problem within a few hours. I like the material of this one the best; but I have been trying to sammple all of them including Hollisster and Convatec too Compared to my old system from 50 years ago (marlen brand) vinyl pouch, the others don't measure up.

I think part of the problem is the tail opening. Marlen's pouch opening is approx 1" wide and all of the others seem to be about 2" wide.  Much easier to handle emptying. Plus the material on all of them doesn't withstand handling compared to the Marlen. I  think they are all very flimsy and very messy to use.

However, I think all of them are much easier to apply and remove. But, I think I am going back to Marlen. Too bad they can't make one of these other pouches in the same material as the Marlen pouch in the vinyl or plastic material.

 

Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:42 pm


Redondo wrote:

Is Colo the same as Coloplast? I have ilieostomy with high output. I tried this one but unfortunately used the one with no convexity and had problem within a few hours. I like the material of this one the best; but I have been trying to sammple all of them including Hollisster and Convatec too Compared to my old system from 50 years ago (marlen brand) vinyl pouch, the others don't measure up.

I think part of the problem is the tail opening. Marlen's pouch opening is approx 1" wide and all of the others seem to be about 2" wide.  Much easier to handle emptying. Plus the material on all of them doesn't withstand handling compared to the Marlen. I  think they are all very flimsy and very messy to use.

However, I think all of them are much easier to apply and remove. But, I think I am going back to Marlen. Too bad they can't make one of these other pouches in the same material as the Marlen pouch in the vinyl or plastic material.

 

Hi Redondo,

  Yes, Colo=Coloplast.  I work for the military, so everything we say is either an abbreviation or an acronym......sorry about that.  I had the same experience with the Colo Mio with no convexity.  I'm surprised anyone likes the Colo material the best........just because it's so much more rigid than the cloth bandage of the Hollister.  I have no experience with Marlen products, but was led to believe (from reading posts on here) that they were sort of archaic in nature.......I'm thinking hot water bottle thickness and material, as compared to the other vendor's products..........but it's just the impression I got, as I've never touched on in person.  

  I hear you when you say "flimsy", but in today's 'throw away' society's mentality people tend to like thinner, lighter, etc, rather than thicker, heavier and more durable.  The messy part I can't comment on too much until I play with a Marlen bag, but I understand what you're saying. I'll have to look into Marlen and see what they're about.  A word about sampling the various brands........I find the people at the ostomy product manufacturer's places try really hard to send you the right samples, but in my case they seldom actually do.  I'm not sure why, maybe because they talk to people all day about sending samples and just get used to sending the same thing over and over..........but I described my condition, wants, needs and desires to the Coloplast guy twice......and he still sent me the wrong stuff.  Had the same thing happen with Hollister a few years back.  So now I just look thru the catalogs myself and order what I think I want to try from either Amazon or one of the many online ostomy supply vendors.   Most of the products you can order as singles, if you don't want to invest in a box of 5 or 10.  I know many can't afford to do that, but for me it's money well spent.......as these days my time is more valuable than my money.  But I'm glad you mentioned Marlen......I'm going to go check them out.  Even if I don't like what they have, I like having situational awareness about these things.  Thanks again!

 

regards,

bob

Thu Nov 18, 2021 11:43 pm


MBT wrote:

If your skin does not like Hollister's adhesive, but you prefer that pouch style, could you try using the Coloplast Brava sheets in between as a buffer?

 

Or, Coloplast makes high output pouches with a "spigot" type end...you could snip off the spigot and use a clamp instead. I do that with my high output patients who prefer a clamp or who have output that is just a bit too thick for the spigot.

Hi M,

 I missed responding to your first point, sorry about that.  I've tried a number of membranes, liquid protectants, etc, but my skin just never healed under them.  Probably because I change my barrier every other day and end up ripping off any new skin that forms under the membrane.  I did have decent luck with Marathon, but if I could have left it on a few more days I think it would have helped.  And I know you can leave it on and put a second barrier over it, but it takes 4-5 days for the Marathon to break down.......on day 2 it just breaks down on the edges, and when taking the barrier off (as gently as possible) it still brings some of the Marathon (and my skin) with it.  

 The only thing that's working so far are topical steroids, but they are making my skin in that area thin, which won't end well if I keep using them.  It's feeling pretty itchy under my second Mio Convex Flip......and I change it tomorrow morning.  I'm betting things won't look so good.  But we'll see.  The other issue I have with my Hollister barrier is I really need a larger barrier to properly fit my stoma.  They don't make the convex Cera version in the really big size, so I'm having to improvise.  Keep in mind I've been using Hollister since 2014 with only minor problems every now and then, but for the most part without trouble.  My irritation problem started in early May of this year, for an unknown reason, so I'm not sure it's the Hollister material that's causing it.  Switching to somethinge else is just the only thing I haven't tried.  

  I did get the name of a high-profile Dermatologist up in DC who supposedly specializes in contact dermatitus.  I plan to see her, but wanted to try the Mio first, so she can't say....just try another product Dunderhead!  I want to give her a REAL challenge!

 

;0)

bob

Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:02 am

Hi I don't have hi output but am lazy and prefer to have less trips to the bathroom.

I use Click High Output pouch. More than a foot long.  Drawback:. Teeny tiny sleeve output tube and an odd input system.  But worth it!  The only problem is if you pancake and normally don't rinse.  It just will not come out easily.  I certainly sleep a lot better!

SenSur Mio. 18612.   Colopast. 10 PCS per box

 

 

 

Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:08 am

Note one of the guys was nervous about the hard plug at the bottom.  I assure you it is very secure even when bag is bloated.

Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:00 am

Hi Fred,

  Thanks for the input.  My samples of the big bag came today.  Holy shit that thing is BIG!!! It sure doesn't look that big in the catalog!  The opening at the bottom of the plastic funnel does seem a bit small for the size of bag, but I checked and I can clip it off and use my Hollister clip instead.  But I will say that using the small bag (with the bottom that rolls up 4 times and is held by the two velcro wings) has made me focus a lot more on when and how much I eat, so as not to overfill it at the wrong time.  I needed that kick in the ass to get my life a bit more normal in that regard.  Can't eat a half gallon of ice cream anymore with the small bag........just a bowl or so.  Not sure if I'm going to try the big bag or not..........need to look at my schedule and find a section that's clear for 2 days, lest I be seen in public with a garbage bag of shit attached to me!!  I guess I got what I asked for in a bigger bag.........I just need to be a bit more careful about what I ask for!!  Thanks again.  

 

regards,

bob

Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:50 pm


Ritz wrote:

Hey Bob ...I tried sen convex flip also several weeks ago . One had a filter ...I called them and they sent different ones as the filter ring inside  gets clogged with my high output . The next had no ring filter , but also was too small and every  hour I was dumping . Then they sent me a larger bad with no filter ..yippie , until I opened it and it had hard plug at the bottom and I hated it with fear it would open . So , I have to stick with my hollister until they make a new one . ..I was told they are working on it ,yeah ...right ? I hope so cause I love the nice gray silky bag . 
let me know if you find a different solution for us high outs folks 

Ritz

Are you sure they didn't send you a Urostomy bag in error? That would explain the hard plastic plug on the bottom.

Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:55 pm

Hi Kray,

  No, it wasn't a mistake.  They have the urostomy bags you're talking about, and the larger ostomy bags that they sent.  I just got mine yesterday. They look identical, except the hard plastic funnel on the end is a bit larger for ostomy folks........but other than that they're the same.  I decided not to wear it this morning when I changed my barrier, as it's just too big.  I had to do a lot of tree climbing today and I could see that big bag getting caught on limbs and such...........so I stuck with the small one.  I did take my old bag apart to better look at the filter system.  There's a sponge or open cell foam mesh in the inner circular filter compartment with the filter at the top.  I guess it would work for those with more solid output.  My filter ring filled up in 2 days, but never leaked.  

  My initial take on the smaller bag was that it was too small, and I still think that........but I do see the benefit of the smaller bag in that it hides better under you clothes.  I'm not a fan of the flip-up and velcro closure system, but have gotten used to it.  Unfortunately my skin under the barrier isn't liking the Coloplast material any better than the Hollister, but I'm glad I tried it.  I do have a hard time snapping the bag onto the barrier (2-piece) when I'm finishing up my barrier replacement......but it sure won't come off.  

 

;0)

bob

Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:34 pm

I know what you mean. I do no like the roll up velcro seal. I think it's messy and very difficult to clean. Much prefer the curved clamp closure myself. However, if you have to purchase them they are expensive. I myself use a Convetec pouch because  Hollister does't make a deep enough convex one piece pouch, so I have to purchase the clamp from Hollister. $3.50 apiece. I sometimes get lucky and am able to pick some up at our suppout group mettings. People donate supplies from loved ones no longer needing them or that have passed away or been reversed.

Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:46 pm


kray wrote:

I know what you mean. I do no like the roll up velcro seal. I think it's messy and very difficult to clean. Much prefer the curved clamp closure myself. However, if you have to purchase them they are expensive. I myself use a Convetec pouch because  Hollister does't make a deep enough convex one piece pouch, so I have to purchase the clamp from Hollister. $3.50 apiece. I sometimes get lucky and am able to pick some up at our suppout group mettings. People donate supplies from loved ones no longer needing them or that have passed away or been reversed.

Hi Kray,

  Just shoot me a PM with your address and I'll send you a bunch of those Hollister clips.  I play a game of seeing how long I can keep using the same couple clips over and over before they break.......so I've got a pile of new ones I'll never use.  Don't pay for them.......I got plenty!!  And they do last a very long time!!!  

regards,

bob

 

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