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Monsieur Le President

I find it totally amazing that there seem to be a number of people who have undergone this life-changing surgery, almost certainly following severe bouts of horrific illness, and have not had everything explained to them by their surgeon.
My surgery was 35 years ago and I was fully put in the picture by Mr. David Pratt in Leeds Chapel Allerton within the NHS.
It would seem from these stories that the US may not be the best place to suffer from UC or Crohn's, unless you have plenty of medical insurance.
Will Obama change things?

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Well, I am not a big fan of socialized healthcare. But yes, Obama will try to socialize it as he is trying to socialize everything. It might not work here in the USA as we have a Constitution which limits (or is supposed to) government encroachment into the private sector. I hope you will not take offense as none is intended. The problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other folks' money.

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Monsieur Le President

Run out of other folks' money?

Like the banks, or Madoff, or Stamford?

sweede
Gosh this post is getting a little political huh, yipeeee lol. So i guess i shall just have to add my 2 bits worth on this one hehe.

Obama has absolutly no intention of introducing free healthcare for all, and i'm afraid it has nothing to do with the misleading catchphrase "socialised healthcare", and more to do with the fact that many of the largest contributors to both Obama's and Macain's campaign trail coincidently enough happens to be some of the largest bio-tec/pharmacutical companies on the planet.

in my opinion, on hearing of all the huge multinational companies that your new administration has given government bailouts too and on checking the list of major contibutors to Obamas political campiagn, it is suprising to see how closley matched the two lists are.

Further to this, if Obama had any intention on giving free healthcare for all, then he wouldn't be sending more troops to Afghanistan to secure the worlds opium supply.

The very same world opium supply that when the Taliban came into power on the 9th of September 2001, after defeating the American backed Bin laden run Muhajadeen, declared illegal and incidently would have wiped 90% of the worlds opuim supply overnight.

Yep that's right folks, wether you belive it or not, i'm afraid it is true, the fact that if the Taliban wiped out the worlds supply of opium overnight meant all these pharmacutical companies would go bust. They have given the government HUGE amounts of money to go in there and resecure it. And i'm sorry to say this, but this is the reason that not in a million years would Obama "socailise" the healthcare system in America. Too much profit to be made in privatisation/forcing open free markets for the big guns i'm afraid.

"Socialised healthcare", what does that actually mean to you guys, the whole of Europe has free healthcare for all, does that mean we are all communist or something?, What are you guys taxes actually paying for?. How many millions of people and their kids can't even get access to the most basic healthcare in your country, and compare that all of the many millions of people and their kids in Europe have free healthcare as a basic right.

I think when one is dying in the street, relying on foodstamps and charity handouts, this mythical catchphase called "socialised healthcare" just doesn't cut the mustard i'm afraid.

Don't get me wrong, Obama is the best thing to ever happen to your country, as i am sure he will iron out some of the injustices that are going on over there at the moment, but free healthcare for all isn't one of them.

I hope i haven't offended those of you who actually belive what the mainsteam government backed media tell you to belive.

P.s. Here in the U.K we get our ostomy supplies free as a basic right, which everybody embraces, it doesn't mean we are socialists, communists or any other so called political influenced brand names that is used as an excuse for denying our right to basic healthcare.
 
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You asked for my opinion and I gave it, sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear.
I (and many others) have managed to survive 51 years without "free" healthcare, or rent, food, etc. I do not require or desire the government to keep me alive, fed, clothed...etc.
You may suckle at the government teat all you want...I will make my own way, that's what men do. Surely you can understand such a basic concept...world politics do not change this most basic of human instincts...to provide for oneself. No offense is intended.

"If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams

sweede
Hi super hero, i'm sorry if i gave the impression that my opinion was directed at you personally, that was certainly not the intention. Nor to cause controversy, and as far as i was taught Samual Adams promoted freedom and basic rights for all, not just for those who could afford it. lol.

I think it is excellent that you have manged to survive 51 years without the basic rights that citizens deserve, unfortunately there are many who are not as fortunate or as strongly independent as you appear to be.

The fact cannot be denied that there are many of millions of people in the U.S.A that thought thier private healthcare would be covered by their medical insurance, but due to the dasterdly actions of the insurance companies and their policy of giving bonuses to their reps if they can find technical excuses for rejecting medical claims for basicly rediculous reasons, is nothing short of criminal. It places once stong minded people the same as yourself into a life of crippling debt.

They are now to ill to work, unable to pay their rent/bills/medical fees and care for their childrens basic needs in life. This is criminal and this is where free healthcare for all comes into it's own.

Are you implying that the whole of Europe suckles from the teat of their governments?, do you feel we should pay our taxes all our life to the government and get nothing in return?, and be forced to hand over our national healthcare to corrupt multinational pharmicutical companies for profit. Democracy after all is a "socialist" ideal that is supposed to represent the will of the population, not purely to line the pockets of the rich.

It is not in the interest of our nation to have the tragic situations that we see in the states happening within our shores. We don't suckle of the government as you put it, every citizen pays a mandatory national insurance in order for these services to be freely available to them should the need to use the services. The national health sevice and our welfare system is two entirely different institutions.

It agonises me that many people in the states have to face the option of either shitting or feeding their children, i know this for a fact as i send monthly ostomy aid packages to people in the states that have make that choice. This shouldn't be the case, but sadley it is.

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. -- Samuel Adams
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Sweede, I think this is going to be a culture difference that I cannot explain. I hold no ill feelings toward you. Let's move on to something productive.

sweede

Lol, the feeling is definitely mutual, Super Hero. No ill feeling intended, my friend.

I do enjoy the odd political debate, as I'm sure you do also. Folks that can hold their own in a debate of any topic get my unreserved respect, no matter what the differences are. I do hope we can hold debates like this in the future without it feeling like a personal slur on the views and rights of others.

Take care, my friend, for you have increased the respect I already have for you. You actually give a s**t about the state of the onion, lol.

Monsieur Le President

Excellent.
Bit of passion from both sides of the Atlantic (and the argument).
I just wonder:
You are 20 years old, and you and your family have no money. You develop UC. What happens?
You need steroids, hospital treatment, blood transfusions, a major operation. What happens?
You need ileostomy equipment for the rest of your life. What happens?

weewee

To respond to what you asked, what happens when you lose everything? I am 41 and the doctor controls your life and won't back it up because they don't want a lawsuit or to be held liable to help you gain access for help, which I am going through right now. I got told that since I am not 65, blind, or disabled, I don't qualify for any help. I have to find a job in a different field that I am not trained for and find an employer that will deal with your complications since you have two arms and two legs. I have to find a part-time job that falls under an income. So, welcome to the great world of Americans getting screwed by a new president that is as worthless as the rest. We had 40 others that couldn't straighten out their own shoelaces, so why not have another one to lie to you? The government is as worthless as the paper it's printed on.

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Sir, have you spoken to your church, friends, neighbors, employer? It's amazing the people that helped me without my asking back when I was recovering from surgery. I'm sure it helped I was in a small town where everyone knew me. Still, these are people on whom you can rely....you have already seen what you can expect from the government. The govt is not interested in helping those who can't work....only those who won't work. The system is corrupt to the core...heaven help us if these people get control of our "health care".
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