Colo-Majic Liners: Practicality and User Concerns

I was impressed with this product when I read about it, and they fit on my Convetec Natura system. After working with the fit and the whole idea, I realized the pouch must be removed to reach the liner and throw it away. Then I asked myself and Colo-Majic, what do I do if my stoma gets active while I have the pouch off? Now, here is the surprise: the only answer from Colo-Majic was for me to go see my nurse. One would think they would have the answer. Would anyone answer this question for myself and Colo-Majic? Thanks, Terry.

I am not sure why one would want to use pouch liners or any non-drainable bag with an ileostomy. Seems like a lot of additional trouble?

Daniel

If I could simply remove the liner, throw it away, and insert another, it would be great. However, with this design, you must remove the pouch, remove the liner, insert another liner, and reattach the pouch, and you're right, it's way too much trouble. T.

The liners have been discussed a few times here.

5 people will love them.

5 people don't understand using them.

Moose and I are 2 of those 5... others will chime in.

Some folks would rather toss than drain.

Others feel better draining.

Both are messy. But if the stoma is active, you've got some literal sheet coming to clean up.

Those liners should come with a cork! Run that by the rep when you give him a call.

You really have to know your output schedule/timing with those liners. I believe most members agree they are stupid and a waste of money and far too inconvenient.

Stay tuned for more entertaining comments.

Hi Triple X,

The answer to your question is... if your stoma gets busy while you have our bag/liner off... you're out of luck and will have a mess on your hands. There's no way not to expose your stoma while changing liners... so you're taking your chances. It's as simple as that. I guess I'm in the majority that doesn't understand why you would use liners instead of a drainable bag. Maybe I'd understand if I was one of the lucky ostomates that only has output once or twice a day. Since I don't... it just doesn't make any sense to use liners... biodegradable or not.

;O)

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I know they probably make sense to someone, but that isn't me. It has to be about the dumbest thing for an ostomy... a bag that goes in a bag so the outer bag doesn't get dirty. Yet, there's still a bag getting dirty and likely more if you get active while removing the inner bag, but the outer bag will still be clean. 👍 However, you now have a bag full of feces in one hand, feces all over your stomach, your other hand is trying to clean it all up, and your outer bag is still clean. 👍👍 Now, 15 minutes later, a couple of towels, half a roll of toilet paper, and possibly a shower, everything is clean, and your outer bag is still clean. 👍👍👍 Put your new liner in and 10 minutes later it is filled with feces and the whole process starts over. 🙄 Or, use a drainable bag, empty it, wipe the end clean, close it, and go on with your day. 🤷‍♂️👍👍👍👍👍👍

I agree with all you guys, a liner is a total waste of time and money, and a bloody mess when Vesuvius decides to erupt. I reckon if xxxlrt were to try using a drainable, he would see the light. Give it a go, XXX; it works for 90% of us guys. Regards, IGGIE

OK, I give and agree. 

You got spanked. 😆 But in a good way.

One last reply, perhaps most or all of you are able to sit down on a toilet just like always and empty your pouches; I cannot. I am 6' 6" tall, and the drain from the pouch lacks about 6" from reaching the toilet rim. No, I cannot kneel, nor can I bend over to accommodate my pouch. So literally, everything I do has to be invented by me, which I have successfully done for over a year. I am constantly looking for better and easier ways I can empty my pouch while standing up. I have made a medical stand and container to work for me when I am home. I carry 4 biodegradable doggie bags with me every time I leave my home. I have built a small 3-gallon bucket that contains everything I may need to empty my pouch and remain on the water. I also carry a full backpack, just in case (which has never happened). So what is easy for you is difficult for me. I'll be polite and just say, thanks.

Empty into a container and then empty that into the toilet. How do you put on socks/shoes if you can’t bend?

Yup, that is what I do. Socks and shoes, I use a sock Donner and step in shoes, with a shoe horn if required, if you must know!

Hey, welcome to the

joint "MacGyver" 😄

You are going to be impressed with a lot of products offered to ileostomates. As your detailed profile mentioned, you fish, hunt, and travel. I doubt any new ostomate ever leaves their home within the first year.

So good for you being active. I'm impressed.

By the way, I'm in the 1% maybe of ostomates that don't sit to empty.

So like you, I empty into a container and dump it into the toilet.

I can bend and sit, but I don't need to do that because this is easier, I feel. Easier for me. Cleaner, but going out, yeah, I've got to bend, squat a bit with my drainable... have you thought about a throwaway 2-piece system that is a closed pouch?

Wouldn't need much to do a toss and change in a bathroom stall.

Just saying it's easy and less messy. Toilet paper (if you're lucky to get a stall with it) is plentiful.

They make a large-sized, longer bag which I use and you may benefit from. Have you heard of it?

Being 6' 6" surely you had other challenges in your life prior to the ostomy. It sounds like you can part the Red Sea.👍

As for myself, bad knees are a bitch as we age, compounded with arthritis in fingers, you find ways around those issues.

You will be fine, dude. Stick around. I guarantee you will be more impressed with our tricks, advice, awesomeness of this group, and some off-the-wall, tongue-in-cheek humor.

Huh? Nobody does stuff within a year? That's funny. 😂 I think a good chunk of people go on with life and adjust to their new normal. Those who sit and dwell on what's happened never go forward towards the light and get a sore neck looking back at their past issues. I hunted, fished, remodeled the upstairs of my house, took care of the yard, took the dog to the lake regularly, both my kids got married, etc. I truly hope nobody is sitting at home believing that they can't do anything because they have an ostomy; that's sad if that's going on.

ALEX, you're like Superman. Even shit bounces off you.

This guy is almost 80 years old. Having an ileo this August and doing what he says in this situation is amazing. I needed 7 months to even get back to work in April of this year. You forget some people don't heal as fast as others with compromised health issues or a bad surgeon messing you up, or just plain introverted.

I think there's also a lot of people not with your mindset out here. You're a positive vibe and tell people to get over it. Some aren't at this point. You have read their stories here.

This guy xxxltd is obviously in better shape at 79 than most people in their 60s having stoma surgery.

Unless he's not telling everything, his only obstacle is height. I should be that lucky, dude. And...a lot...a lot of people, not most, have pity parties.

I don’t look at profiles so I have no idea on how old people are. I had a 2 inch deep hole in my butt when I did all that, so I probably don’t heal as fast as others either. 🤷‍♂️ My point was….adapt, overcome, adjust, and then enjoy. 

Agreed on your point. And I take note: you don't view profiles. 👍 I also had a deep hole from an abscess off to the side of my butt hole. It sucked healing. Set me back 3 months.

Hi triple x,

Well... that would explain things! Thanks for the info. Just goes to show we can never assume anything about fellow ostomates.

:O)

Thanks, Warrior, I neglected to mention I play golf twice a week as well. Again, I carry flushable, biodegradable doggie bags in my front pocket and TP if needed in my back pocket. Restrooms are well placed, and all my buddies understand when I need to putt out and head to the RR. The only throwaway bags I need are the flushable doggie bags. I can use them anywhere, as long as I can lean (bend) over; my clothing is in the way. The doggie bag is flushable, so I drop it in the toilet, clean the drain, and I am gone. TP, I always try to carry some folded in my back pocket. While watching our local news, you may often see me rolling off 3 or 4 sheets of TP and folding them in half for use at home or on the road. I'll do 2 rolls at a time; it will last me a week. No need for a longer bag (pouch); I empty mine 5 to 6 times a day. It's a lot, but I like it empty. I have lymphedema in one leg, which slows down my kneeling, and yes, at 80, arthritis in my hands is a bitch. I use Aspercreme in the morning, which helps. I am not shy about talking about my pouch. I have even named it; everyone needs a sidekick, and Cisco had Pancho, so I stole the name, and I call my sidekick "Pancho." Terry

I was lying in bed 3 months ago thinking, is this it? No way, methinks!

I gave myself a damn good talking to.

I was not given a third chance at life to waste it lying in bed.

From that moment, I gritted my teeth, dragged myself out of bed, and got on with my life.

Within a month, I was back on my bike.

Yes, I have had some times when I sat down and cried with pain and frustration.

But from sites like this, I took inspiration and comfort knowing that I was not alone.

I am blessed with a fantastic family and faith that helps me pull through.

At 77 years of age, when I do go, I want it to be said that I lived life to the fullest.

So, ostio friends, if you are going through a rough time, just know it need not be forever.

I send you my love and support ❤️

Chris

I already know this liner bag can be my money safe solution. I have been using it for 1.5 years. All I need is a big purchase with a flange. When bad food caused runny poop, the liner helped a lot, but if I just use a pouch, the pouch has an extremely awful smell that never goes away. So, the liner is my best friend and I can also use sandwich bags for emergencies on the road!

Your Honor... I object to the following statement:

"With bag yadda yadda, it smells awful and never goes away."

Perhaps, the plaintiff never heard of M 9? Kills odor instantly. Proven effective. Effortlessly.

The defense rests.

My husband had a prior stroke and cannot do his ileostomy care. So sitting on the toilet to empty isn't an option for him either.

We tried a few ways of emptying and finally settled on this. We use a tray table and empty the bag into a plastic 1000cc container. If I need to thin the output a bit, I use a small plastic measuring cup to add some water. So far this has been working for us.

What is M9?

Installing an elongated toilet in place of a round one allows you to scoot back and drain the pouch.  Just a suggestion for you. It works for me.

Will try posting a pic, but it's made by Hollister item # 7715.

Odor eliminator drops in a small squeeze bottle, the size of your thumb.

(waves to w30bob for a thumbs up his butt)

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1 ounce or 30 ml.

Destroys odors in ostomy pouches.

It's a pouch deodorant. 

I just looked. It appears that it is designed for colostomies.

Your 'thump'??

I don't think I have a 'thump'.....they must have removed it with most of my bowels.

Picture please.

;O)