Just Another Waste.

Once again here we go. Another mass shooting in Oakland. If this is not a call for gun control then I don't know that there will be anything done to achieve that goal. How many people have to die in America for the power's to be to allow for a change in this stupid belief that people should be allowed to carry a gun?

I know the usual suspects will wade in but seriously explain the need for people carrying guns.Is it because others have guns? If so that proves the point. Disgraceful.

And before the old chestnut comes out consider a shooters license if you want to shoot animals incapable of defending themselves. If you don't really require a gun then why?????

I think it is just really for the embellishment of their own self worth.

gun control only prevents law abiding citizens from owning guns. if someone wants to shoot up a place and/or people (s)he is going to find one to shoot up said place and/or people.

if this is about the trayvan williams shooting, then the suspect is definitely guilty of police interference and going beyond neighborhood watch duties.

In general, committing a crime with some sort of firearm should add more prison time.

Guns don't kill people; stupid m*th3rf#ck3rs with guns kill people.

Funny that Sinful this has nothing to do with that shooting if you had read closer. This idiotic idea that it is not the gun but the person in control only enforces my idea. Can you not see that? That is one of the stupidest things I have read.

If not then I give up as you people who believe that guns in society are good then go shoot each other tonight or tomorrow according to your time frame. Maybe you need to sit in the corner for a while and consider what I said.So if they did not have the guns......... How smart do you you need to be?

Then why are the vast majority of these things happening in America? The Home Of The Free and the ability to get a gun anytime you like? It is a joke.

kt, as always your logic is quot;reversed quot;. thats quite natural for a liberal, so dont worry...you are reacting as quot;programed quot;.
should you care to really see if it`s the gun or the person i propose a bet.
you stay the weekend where there are absolutly no weapons of any sort, any federal prison should work quite nicely.
i will spend the same weekend at the local shooting range where everyone has a gun and ammunition.
we will meet back here and discuss how things progressed. of course i will be lucky to make it back...considering sooooo many guns....but you will be as safe as a babe in mothers arms....no weapons of any kind.
that should decide the issue.........

Once again repudiated. Watch out for the baited hooks guys. This is too easy.

Remember a few years ago when they DID try to out law guns? And the adage that followed?
"When they outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns"

Every once in a while you hear about some one actually saving their own life by owning a gun and using it to defend either their own life or the life of someone else.

Sorry Kenny, and I partially agree with you about the stuidity of some nuts with the guns, but as long as there are those "other" people out there with guns.....................I'll keep mine handy.

one other thing Kenny, people aren't stupid just because they disagree with you. For someone who advocates peace and goods will so much of the time, you sure don't mince on words when someone disagrees with you. You really shouldn't call people stupid all the time, that's getting kinda personal and past the issue being discussed.

My logic is reversed eh? My logic is don't feed people guns and attempt to cut down the unneeded deaths of innocent people. You MMSH put forward the belief that the promotion of guns is good but you need to control the person holding it. Now I ask you whose logic is reversed?

As for the Liberal sledge the less said the better. It just reinforces the argument.

my county would have at least 1/2 households with gun ownership, the same would be true for my state. my county was voted quotbest place in rural america quot; to live in 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barren_County,_Kentucky

i can assure you that nbsp; nbsp;violent crime in my state or county will be lower than where you live....pick a nbsp; nbsp;per capita stastic : murder, assualt, robbery....and we will look up the FACTS and post them in this thread. i am not interested in your OPINION, since i am already familar with it. post some documented facts and we`ll see who`s right. is that agreeable ??

Tell it like it is..................exactly who is the quot;Liberal Sledge quot;? nbsp; nbspor is that just any and all who disagree?

Must be a lot of respect, or maybe envy for the USA since so much attention is paid to it.

I think that you find that the stats for where I live would be a lot lower MMSH. But have we not digressed once again? We were (or so I stupidly thought) talking about another violent attack upon innocent people by someone armed with a gun. I would say the same about something that occurs here but it does not occur very often.

The Liberal sledge?? Just read it.I could have used right wing gun lobby but I chose not to. Have another read.

Population of the United States of America = approx: 311, 591, 917

Population of Australia nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;= approx: nbsp; nbsp; 22, 328, 800 nbsp; nbsp;

That could be why perhaps?

And innocent people do still get shot and killed here, thanks to the black market.

Personally I would prefer to be able to protect my home and family from invasion in any way I choose and not be prosecuted for doing so.

OK,
;Let me back up a little.....................
Ken, it is very thoughtful for you to express concern about the gun violence in America.
I am afraid though, that there really is no permanent fix for the delima. Ever since man picked up a pointed stick and saw that it would be a better way to kill an animal for food, the act was to become an issue. Then when he discovered that it was equally useful in dealing with his enemies, it really caught on. The progression from the pointed stick to the vast array of sophisticated weaponery that exists today was a natural order of things.
;A hell of a way to run a ship, I'll admit, but outlawing guns is not going to be an answer.Guns are too easy to obtain, legally and otherwise. As a matter of fact, I just purchased a handgun and, I thought my duty was to register it with the local police department, so off I went. I was told that the law no longer required registeration of guns. All that was required was a back ground check at the point of purchase. Now that blew my mind.
;Guns are an accepted part of our social structure. The problem IS the owner, and I don't know what the solution to that is. Perhaps none. Especially, when we send our young people off to a foreign country with guns and tell them to kill our enemies. Then when they do kill the same enemy but the wrong person, we toss them under the bus. But that's another subject, for another day,
;Again, most of us appreciate your view, but disagree with your overall observation.

Another thought,

Perhaps a law allowing only non-lethal ammo to be sold to citizens of any country?

Like the rubber bullets and tazers for hand guns, allowing lethal ammo for long guns?

the key word in this statement is LAW.....too bad criminals dont obey the LAWS already in place preventing violence. do you think the criminals would turn in all their lethal ammo??
non-lethal ammo doesnt always work....will you bet YOUR life and the LIVES OF YOUR LOVED ONES on something that may not work on a deranged or drug nbsp; nbsp;crazed criminal???

check out the video of this guy shot in the balls by a shotgun loaded with quotbean bag quot; ammo.
the impact would be simular to being punched by a professional boxer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5g1XtuO-t0 amp;feature=related

http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/

read the last paragraph carefully. now why would armed robberies increase by 45 percent since the implementation of very strict gun control measures?? anybody??? could it possibly be because there is little fear of an armed victim??
criminals dont really fear the police, there are many laws that PROTECT them.
criminals dont really fear prision....most have already been there. would you fear going to a high school reunion
criminals DO fear an armed victim.... that is why they dont have mass shootings, robberies, assualts,ect. at gun ranges or police stations
how smart do you have to be to comprehend such a simple fact.......

This is great. I don't need to reinforce my ideas. You do it for me MMSH. Thank you mate.

It's not so much that i am afraid to go to my high school reunion, it's that i don't want to experience how i felt at the time all over again.

whatever shooting that was referenced initially (i am not great with current events), was the firearm acquired legally or otherwise?

The use of a firearm in hunting is partly efficiency and prob'ly economy. The role of hunting when performed with permit and all safety measures in place is to replace the predator of the hunted to keep said hunted population in a healthier position to proliferate come next season.

There should be heavier penalties for the use of a firearm when committing a crime.

I should not be penalized if i want to purchase a firearm so i shoot at paper or clay targets.

ss, i belive the original shooting that produced this rant took place in california. for the benifit of those not too familar with firearms laws in the usa, it is one of the MOST RESTRICTIVE states for personal firearms ownership. following that thought and reafirming my point, gun control has absolutly NO POSITIVE EFFECT on crime.

you bring up an important question, was the gun used legally aquired? i do not know, but i am familar with crime stastics. MOST guns used in a crime are stolen guns sold on quot;the street quot;.
buying a gun anywhere in the usa from a gun or pawn shop requires the buyer fill out a form, retained quoton file quot; by the point of sale AND an quot;instant check quot; which involves a phone call to the ncis, the buyers name and drivers lic or social are run thru the ncis system and if there are any problems the sale is quot;declined quot;.
as you can guess, most criminals would be a little hesitant to stand in line waiting on the quotok quot; from the ncis guy on the phone.
i thought your post well thought out and very rational, well done.

I would like to re-phrase my comments of earlier, well not rephrase, but comment on them.

MMSH Hey fella,
I agree with you, being an old southern boy myself. No, I don't think that my thought has a snowballs chance in hell. As I said, it was just a thought. This is America and there are "certain inalienable rights" here.
;But it's like pornography..........not against the law to sell it, just against the law to possess it, no matter how one gets hold of it, silly, don't you think. Especially with the things you see on t.v. now a days.
;Nah, I'm gonna keep my gun, you betcha!

hey cd, yes i understand you were just quot;thinking out loud quot; about the non-lethal thing and i didnt mean to quotattack quot; your thoughts....just saying when my life or my loved ones lives are quoton the line quot; i want something that quot;stops the fight quot;.

I have just gone back and re-read all the posts on this post.It seems that there is a recurring theme from the author concerning "mass" shootings and the like, in that there have been several postings about mass shootings as well as demonstrations. it seems, at least to me that there is a definate leaning towards demeaning anyone who is in dis-agreement even to the point of deliberately posting an observation in such a way as to provoke an adversial comment. Then the retort is always anti liberal, anti right, anti left or anti any thing that pops up. Every one detest these hideous events, no one condones them. Yet the author seems anxious to invoke annomosity in that he is the only one that finds the acts heineous, (spelling is wrong, I know) and any comment offered is attacked as in self defence. All people in this forum command, as I have found, quite a high level of intelligence and their opinion should be respected, not attacked just because it is different. Each time I have offered an opinion I have received feedback that sometimes made me take stock of what I said and reconsider that maybe I erred in my judgement originally, I have stood corrected.
;And that's about enough said....................

Where are you Lobster?
I can't believe that you have not waded in on this.
Would love to hear your desertation on this subject...............

He won't CD.

And by the way I did not post these comments for any other reason than to propose my utter dislike for guns. I don't care to discuss yours or others issues with owning guns. If you choose to then so be it. It is your decision. But what for?

But to accuse me of deliberately attacking others by my comments is juvenile in the most complete way. I was just commenting on the fact that many had died again and laws should be invoked to allow for more stringent gun controls to be implemented.

If you want to say I did it to invoke others talk then to the relatives of the guy that carried out this attack CD and next time think before you say something like this.

ps. Sorry for being a Liberal and caring about innocent people dying without need.

Kenny.....................
as far as you "attacking " others, go back and read your reply to Sinful-4/3/5:19AM...........
I recall the word Stupid being used toward his comment.

RE ;Your provoking adversarial responses? Go back and re-read your first two post
"the old chestnuts", "the sledge" "the usual suspects".sounds like a provocation to me.
If not, why use those phrases?

As far as being a libreal or conservative, left or right or up the middle, I believe that all of us are concerned about the loss of innocent life over these sordid events that occur, all too often.

It is just the remedy you propose that I will not agree to. You are, of course, within your rights to express your thoughts. But to attack any and every one that disagrees with you makes you out to be exactly what you are accusing others of being.

Even if you don't use somoe derogatory words, there is a disingenuinous attidute detected in your remarks.

Mine too, I will admit. I am going to try to watch mine in the future.

and here is the problem with ALL liberals{not just you kt}...facts and logic have no meaning to you. it is simply how you FEEL about the issue that forms your solution.
you cannot reason with a liberal, they cannot grasp the basic concept.
nothing personal.

I am a Liberal and proud to be so.

Facts are that thousands upon thousands of people die each year at the end of some bullet fired upon them. Logically that points to a very strong reason for gun control. As opposed to you MMSH who cannot see outside your right wing, ban the people who believe in peace and blame the Liberals. I did not mention your political beliefs when I posted this but only after you decided to drag the entire issue into that political argument.

Oh and by the way liberals DO have the ability to think and feel and sense. Unlike others.So what is the basic concept MMSH? You on that side seem to have all the ideas.

I am out of this as being a Liberal prevents me from lowering myself into the quagmire because I FEEL about the issue and cannot think rationally apparently.

APPARENTLY!
Ah well, enough of this nonsense. Let's go back and do some more trivia stuff.

See ya in "just for laughs"

we can have a healthy discussion as long as ppl are clear and concise.

but you have danced this dance before, yes?